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  1. As soon as the result was announced for Brexit a cross party group should have been set up to manage the withdrawal. A mixture of Tories, Labour, Libdems, SNP etc. told to sit in a room and sort this out. The fact that we have different parties all with their own agendas was never going to end well. And now here we are, completely blocked in, in all directions, by the mis-management of this whole process. I get where the EU are coming from now. If I was looking at the UK as an outsider we must come across as right joke.

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    The majority decision was to leave if that mandate is thwarted by the political classes who ignore it and go the way they chose rather than what was instructed how can a citizens vote ever have any value in the future? If at the next general election on votes counted the constituency winner is from party "A" but the political classes don't like that result do they ignore the people and install a party "B" MP.

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Tin basher View Post
    The majority decision was to leave if that mandate is thwarted by the political classes who ignore it and go the way they chose rather than what was instructed how can a citizens vote ever have any value in the future? If at the next general election on votes counted the constituency winner is from party "A" but the political classes don't like that result do they ignore the people and install a party "B" MP.

    "Yes we know what the result was Mr voter but we also know what's best for you now get back under your rock."
    Yes the majority of voters who decided to vote l, voted leave, but which version of leave. Was it Davis's Johnson's version Farages version, Goves version or JRMs version.

    If May can take her version of leave to the house twice and get soundly beaten, why can't they have another referendum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justintime129 View Post
    Yes the majority of voters who decided to vote l, voted leave, but which version of leave. Was it Davis's Johnson's version Farages version, Goves version or JRMs version.

    If May can take her version of leave to the house twice and get soundly beaten, why can't they have another referendum.

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    Why does it have to be " someones version" of leave?
    What if people simply objected to being members of the EU, don't like where its going and didn't like our role in it and voted on that basis?

    Also, with regard to the 2nd referendum - I have two questions.

    Firstly, given that the whole basis of a 2nd referendum is in essence to try and reverse the result of the first one before it has even been implemented, what makes you think that any Remain favouring result couldn't be just as easily reversed?

    Secondly, while I accept that there is now a leaning towards Remaining in the EU the percentages mean that there is still a sizeable portion of the electorate who abide by their original vote. So if the 2016 vote is disregarded, what do you think their reaction would be, and what damage do you think it will do to the democratic process in the UK thereafter?
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    I can appreciate that some may think that the populous may now be leaning toward staying in the EU, just because they're sick of the failed brexit process. Fair enough. But it's also equally appropriate to assume that some of those who may have voted to remain may now have changed their minds and want out, after seeing the debacle that dealing with the EU can cause.

    What everyone should appreciate is that, for a super-structure such as the EU to function the way everyone wants / expects it to, there should only be a single governing body, a single currency, a single legal structure, a single tax structure, and so on. Everyone should be able to live and work anywhere within the super-structure at any time, and there should be no pros or cons to which section of the superstructure that is, because the pay structure should be the same. Save for environmental nuances (warmer / colder / wetter / drier climate), it shouldn't matter if you are in Scotland, Scandanavia or Spain.

    ...but that's not how it works, because all members of the EU have retained their own little bits of regulation here and there - currency, taxes, etc., and there's so much bureaucracy - too much, in fact. The idea of the EU is fine, in principle, but it's never going to work until ALL members agree to give up EVERYTHING, and become a single entity. No more 'British', no more 'German', no more 'French', all just 'European'.

    And that, is never going to happen.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Kryten View Post
    Why does it have to be " someones version" of leave?
    What if people simply objected to being members of the EU, don't like where its going and didn't like our role in it and voted on that basis?
    People voted for many different reasons. I even heard someone the radio say they voted leave because there were to many brown people serving in the shops.

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    I heard someone on the bus say they voted to remain because they like straight bananas, if you ask enough people the same question you eventually get the answer you want.

    The EU didnít give us a good deal because they thought they didnít need to, simple as that, if they gave us a good deal then parliament would vote to leave and they donít want that. If they keep offering a bad deal they know they will keep the division high and the UK politicians on side against leaving.

    As the majority of constituencies voted to leave if I were a Tory remainer Iíd be worried, if I were a labour MP in a leaver constituency Iíd also be worried. If I were part of the breakaway Indies, then Iíd be polishing off my CV.


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    So they've just voted that we shouldn't leave without a deal.

    What makes me laugh is that even now they all know what they don't want, but can't agree on what they do want.

    Let's not forget...they voted for the 2016 referendum and they agreed to abide by the result.
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    Anyone else looking forward to the next general election? Not because of the voting; Iíll be voting for whoever stands up as the candidate for the Monster Raving Loony Party, I canít in all conscience vote for either of the two main parties.

    What Iím looking forward to is seeing how many of the current crop of MPs lose their seats. I really hope itís a bloodbath
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Kryten View Post
    So they've just voted that we shouldn't leave without a deal.

    What makes me laugh is that even now they all know what they don't want, but can't agree on what they do want.

    Let's not forget...they voted for the 2016 referendum and they agreed to abide by the result.
    ...And then 80% of them stood at a General Election on a manifesto to implement the referendum result.

 

 
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