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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by justintime129 View Post
    The important point people are missing is that it's the Tories who are driving tge Brexit talk. If May can't get her cabinet on side then what hop is there. Over half a dozen of her cabinet voted against her last night not forgetting her chief whip and a couple of other whips. It's not Corbyn who is involved in talks so whatever he's got to say us irrelevant.

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    If Corbyn's not involved in talks why has been speaking to Barnier and the EU?

    If his meetings have been to come up with an alternative plan, what is it?

    Given what has happened over the last week it would seem that the Labour front bench is just as split as the Tories - and before you say "they aren't in Government" given that Corbyn has constantly stated his intention to force a General Election, wouldn't you agree that their case would be strengthened by publishing a working plan that delivers on the referendum, has the full support of the Eu and is better than what May has on the table?
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    Quote Originally Posted by justintime129 View Post
    The important point people are missing is that it's the Tories who are driving the Brexit talk. If May can't get her cabinet on side then what hope is there. Over half a dozen of her cabinet voted against her last night not forgetting her chief whip and a couple of other whips. It's not Corbyn who is involved in talks so whatever he's got to say is irrelevant.

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    Firstly i think it was a free vote for the Tory's so they did what they, as individuals, thought was best.

    Secondly May has a minority government so has to consider all parties not just her own, she cannot pass anything without the support of other parties.


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  3. Quote Originally Posted by busby1971 View Post
    Firstly i think it was a free vote for the Tory's so they did what they, as individuals, thought was best.

    Secondly May has a minority government so has to consider all parties not just her own, she cannot pass anything without the support of other parties.


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    If it was a free vote then why did Barclay say that MPs should get behind the article 50 extension motion. He now has to go to Brussels to hold talks with the EU on something he disagrees on. He should resign.

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    If I am correct,the cabinet had to abide by the collective responsibility pledge. But of course a few broke ranks. Where as the back benches could vote how they wanted too. With a strong hint from the whips to vote for the government.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by GD ON WHEELS View Post
    If I am correct,the cabinet had to abide by the collective responsibility pledge. But of course a few broke ranks. Where as the back benches could vote how they wanted too. With a strong hint from the whips to vote for the government.
    The chief whip and a couple of his henchmen voted against the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justintime129 View Post
    The chief whip and a couple of his henchmen voted against the government.

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    Quite a few Labour jobs were handed back this week.

    Look e could too and fro all day long, whilst a lot of people are slagging off the Toryís for being divided, the Labour Party is equally so, itís very likely that they wouldnít have done any better.


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  7. Quote Originally Posted by busby1971 View Post
    Quite a few Labour jobs were handed back this week.

    Look e could too and fro all day long, whilst a lot of people are slagging off the Toryís for being divided, the Labour Party is equally so, itís very likely that they wouldnít have done any better.


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    But it's not the labour party voting against their own government

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    I will keep this simple, Labour are just as split, brexit is not bounded by party lines, for every Mogg there is a Grieve, for every Cooper there is a Flint, and if they were in power they would be having exactly the same issues.

    Yes we all know Labour are not in power.

    Neither party could do a better job than the other, if they try to get a deal with the EU, because the EU wonít give a good deal, so letís ride out the current situation, without fecking it up too much, let it all settle down and see where we go from there.

    If the politicians keep defying the will of the people then they will have to answer to their voters at the next GE, thatís how it works.


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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Vim_Fuego View Post
    ......

    And I thought 'isn't the UK an angry and generally less happy place to reside at the moment?'.

    Then I wondered 'Will we ever get back to some sort of parity/a happier place ever again?' as no matter which way the next few months go half the country is going to be very p1ssed off.

    Thoughts from you feckers?
    I think it was mentioned at the time just before, during and after the referendum that the whole thing would be a complete shambles because if the vote was to leave, the whole thing will be run and controlled by UK and European politicians.

    Just in case anyone has just stuck their head up from under a stone, that is exactly what is happening now.

    Don't worry though. It will all be fine, you'll see...
    It all started with nothing, then it exploded.

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    The right is moving further right and far right wing ideology is being normalised...
    The left is moving further left and far left wing ideology is being normalised.....

    That leaves a massive fcuking hole in the middle ground.

    As long as that is allowed to happen - don't expect things to get better or divisions to heal. The damage has been done.

 

 
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