Prime Minister Orders Investigation Into Why Thousands Are Leaving Military

[Dougie Howser]

https://www.forces.net/news/military...9GcQE.facebook

[Rugby-Jock-Lad]

https://www.forces.net/news/military...9GcQE.facebook

Where to begin....Perhaps if they read the Goat, Aaarse and most likely Rum Ration it would give them an idea without spending X-loads on research grants like that on wine and beer mixed causing hangovers.

As for the BArmy....Bullying, incompetence, toxic atmosphere and not playing well with others all the while hanging onto a Regimental cap-badge and belt colour of some past Napoleonic glory days. Need I say more.....

[I Look Like Kevin Costner]

Where to begin....Perhaps if they read the Goat, Aaarse and most likely Rum Ration it would give them an idea without spending X-loads on research grants like that on wine and beer mixed causing hangovers.

As for the BArmy....Bullying, incompetence, toxic atmosphere and not playing well with others all the while hanging onto a Regimental cap-badge and belt colour of some past Napoleonic glory days. Need I say more.....

Serioulsy.. Remember IDS, Holloway and others in the Tory party served in the Barmy. Short service comissions to get the tick in the box. I met Holloway at Conz when the armed focres select committee came around. We were being ripped off by JPA and they were robbing the country blind on their gravy train.

[Downsizer]

Why bother? There is no money to fix anything....

[terence]

Why bother? There is no money to fix anything....

makes one wonder where all the money saved by 8yrs of austerity has gone doesn,t it

[muttywhitedog]

Whoever is responsible for this survey needs to ask those who have left before their engagement has expired, rather than survey senior officers or, (with all due respect), the likes of Downsizer, Adey and Dan Brown, who are still serving and wont be PVR'ing.

For me, the trigger point was the lack of career management and employee engagement by my career manager, who reneged on a long-standing agreement I had with my previous CM to take an unpopular OOA straight after my degree finished with no reserve liability, and didn't even see his shafting of me as an issue. To be told "that was a deal with her, not me", showed a complete lack of respect for the individual.

[Dan_Brown]

Whoever is responsible for this survey needs to ask those who have left before their engagement has expired, rather than survey senior officers or, (with all due respect), the likes of Downsizer, Adey and Dan Brown, who are still serving and wont be PVR'ing.

For me, the trigger point was the lack of career management and employee engagement by my career manager, who reneged on a long-standing agreement I had with my previous CM to take an unpopular OOA straight after my degree finished with no reserve liability, and didn't even see his shafting of me as an issue. To be told "that was a deal with her, not me", showed a complete lack of respect for the individual.

I'm in my final 5 years. Living at home and in a role i am hoping i will carry out in the real world. The new section is also giving me a team and training (RAF and Civvy quals) - that is the only reason i am staying.

Since Nov 18, Manning have also offered me my crown 3 times, 1 x at my current unit, one would be commuting and the other would be living in the Mess. I have said no to all, simply due to the reasons mentioned above.

I am still pro-RAF (atm) but it is plainly obvious that morale is very low and the workload is continually increasing with less manpower. We are also hemorrhaging money we do not have on outsourcing projects we are quite capable of doing ourselves and already paying people for - Recruiting (Crapita, i'm looking at you!), JPA creation/maintaining etc.

It is simply not sustainable and i can see another round of redundancies as the answer to the empty coffers pot instead of addressing the real issues.

[StickyFingers]

It's a complex issue but I think the largest factor is the pension.

If I didn't have a guaranteed (although only 16 years worth instead of the 22 I signed up for, cheers AFPS 15) monthly payment I'd have bailed out long ago. No one has that pot and the end of the rainbow anymore, or won't soon.

The year long PVR waiting times may have actually slowed down ET rates due to the uncertainty of Brexit but come April when it has happened (maybe) and the future is a bit clearer I reckon a lot more ETs will be going in.

Be interesting to see....

[busby1971]

They know why people leave, the same as any other employer, with a few extras on top, they know why people don’t join, different to any other employer.

People were moaning when I joined and were probably doing so long before that, treat those you’ve got with respect and you’ll hang onto them a little bit longer, not everyone will stay forever, so you shouldn’t expect them to.

Time wasting exercise so they can bring about further cuts and more jointry, and by jointry I mean army run.


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[Cooheed]

4 years out as of tomorrow and I could foresee it was never going to get any better. At my out, my scaled section of 7 were running 4 at best but never any thanks for our 'flexibility' in ensuring things got done.. AFPS 15 was probably the biggest boot in the balls though with the removal of an IP. Happily getting my 75 pension monthly but I do feel for the guys and gals still in getting, as normal, the sihtty end of the stick.