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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Reheat
    With an ELC, SLC and resettlement grant you could get 7 or 8 B1 classroom based modules under your belt. With your degree you’re not far off getting a C Certification if you were to join a MRO somewhere.
    MRO? Maintenance ? Organisation (such as a CAMO?).
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    Bugger all, I wanted to do Prince2, but the resettlement adviser wouldn't sign it off

    If you want to pursue an engineering career outside, stick to something relevant.
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    "With an ELC, SLC and resettlement grant you could get 7 or 8 B1 classroom based modules under your belt. With your degree you’re not far off getting a C Certification if you were to join a MRO somewhere."

    Agree with 1st part of comment but not sure of second part.

    Although a degree is mentioned in the CAA literature, it must be one that they endorse so not just any degree - they dont specify details.

    As far I'm aware C-cert holders still require minimum 3 years certifying experience (ie you must therefore be type certified). To become a C-cert, operators place further requirements on candidates to have multiple types on their licence before the QM will support the application. Pt 145 organisations endorse the C-cert application before the application goes to the CAA.

    This is my experience anyway (I also have a BSc - which was nt required)

  4. Spearmint said:
    "With an ELC, SLC and resettlement grant you could get 7 or 8 B1 classroom based modules under your belt. With your degree you’re not far off getting a C Certification if you were to join a MRO somewhere."

    I'm not too sure what you're aiming at in an MRO?

    You state that you qualify for a stand-alone CAT C licence...for which you only need 1 years’ experience - however, a Stand-alone CAT C cannot sign any paperwork other than the Base Maintenance Certificate of Release to Service (which is also very different to the Mil CRS). I'm quite sure they are not very common, in Civvy St, when held without a CAT B1/B2 (through which you might build trust in your capabilities and possibly get a Type Rating). I'm assuming this is because a Stand-alone CAT C would be impractical/uneconomical in an MRO environment.

    Also, I am an MRO Quality Manager and, as stated by Keyser Soze, despite the issue of a CAT C Licence, I personally would not allow such a qualification to be used for "quite some while" until fully satisfied that the holder is fully familiarised with all the protocols, procedures and practices in the company/hangar before being allowed to sign anything. An aviation QM can do this despite the requests of any other managers in any organisation.

    In my opinion an engineering management degree is not an engineering degree, but the CAA can decide your fate on that one. If you do get a CAT C you will still need a Type Rating, which nowadays should include a few weeks of prescribed practical training within the course. Again IMO, a company would give a massive leap of faith to let you have a TR 'soon' in your employment. Subsequent TRs are not required to be full courses and Familiarisation courses should be permissible.

    Finally, and as a reminder, in Commercial Air Transport such as airlines and freighters, an MRO and CAMO are two different organisations although there is often some bleed across them in certain contracts. Normally, Tech Services and Fleet/Maintenance Planning functions are all CAMO (Part M) not MRO (Part 145).

    When I left (19 years ago) there was a slightly different resettlement regime and I chose to lie about what I was doing - for 16 weeks - during which I started work for an MRO as a Quality Engineer. I have since had several posts in quite different organisations and I have a wide variety of EASA Parts M, 145, 147, 21, EU-OPS and Simulator experience to boot. My current projects are to open new civil MROs in Morocco and Dubai.

    I hope that this advice is of some use to you and that it may divert you from errors you may be building into your escape plan. Whichever way you go, please continue to get advice and adapt your plans accordingly - I do admire that you have qualifications and pursuing more before you leave.

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    Thanks Rigga you've explained things more fully than in my post.

    I think that many of the Pt 147 schools 'sell' the idea of "Pay £10k for our degree courses and jump up the career ladder.......simples" to fill their classrooms quota

    The reality, as highlighted, is quite different. No commercial operation should allow a CRS signatory (or other responsible position) without a robust proven track record.

    Qualifications are all well and good, but they should underpin a demonstrable and proven track record in the work-place.

    Sadly their are too many individuals who have a solid-gold CV (brag-sheet) with impeccable qualifications who fall short once in the real world. One of my snr bosses is a prime example (ex army) and is about to come unstuck :/

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    Incidently

    MRO = Maintenance Repair Overhall. These would be the Pt 145 Organisation ie "the repair garage"

    In RAF speak Pt 145 = AMF Hangar carrying out Base Maintenance type tasks (big schedule maintenance checks & fault diagnosis) ) or Squadron = Line Maintenance

    CAMO = Part M environment.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Vim_Fuego View Post
    I didn't have a lot of time but managed to squeeze in APM Practitioner and Prince 2 PM'ing courses. I also did a MS project course and a H&S Assessment course then I was endex.

    Where do you want to live when out?
    Vim,

    How did you find the APM course? Was it worth the time and effort?

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    In my last 2 years I took the RAF for every H&S course I could do (all free and great on the CV) I used my ELC's to pay for my civil Dispatch certifications and in my resettlement period I did Prince2

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    Quote Originally Posted by unruly1986 View Post
    Vim,

    How did you find the APM course? Was it worth the time and effort?
    I use the stuff I learnt on the APM course today...Its a book of knowledge that you can apply to most projects rather than a methodology that you sprinkle over one.

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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Vim_Fuego View Post
    I use the stuff I learnt on the APM course today...Its a book of knowledge that you can apply to most projects rather than a methodology that you sprinkle over one.

    Fecker of an exam mind....
    Thanks for the info.

    I have the course and exam (APM PMQ) next month... wish me luck..!

 

 
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