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  1. Quote Originally Posted by busby1971 View Post
    Half a million dead, 10 million displaced and a couple of hundred thousand disappeared.

    You can defend Assad and his buddies in Iran and Russia all you like, the above are facts, if the country had been left alone it would have probably all been over by now, even with Iranian funding Assad was losing before he was rescued by Russia.

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    Two choices evil or evil that we've not seen since the middle ages.

    I think I'd rather have Assad evil.
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    Just out of interest; what do you think would have happened if Assad hadn't been supported by the Russkies? The likelihood would be yet another failed state along the lines of Libya with lunatic jihadists running riot only this time in a country which borders Israel. I'd imagine our Israeli colleagues would not stand for that particular outcome. Assad may be an utter cnut but it could be a lot worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjarabbi View Post
    Just out of interest; what do you think would have happened if Assad hadn't been supported by the Russkies? The likelihood would be yet another failed state along the lines of Libya with lunatic jihadists running riot only this time in a country which borders Israel. I'd imagine our Israeli colleagues would not stand for that particular outcome. Assad may be an utter cnut but it could be a lot worse.
    I would get a sharp knife and go round the country separating Syria from its neighbours, just as I got to the last bit I would step to the other side and watch the failed state be swallowed up by the Med as it dropped down into the earths crust, I’d then open up Iraq’s first dive centre and watch the money roll in.

    Now on a more sensible note there was only never going to be a good solution to this, it should never have got this bad.


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  4. At the end of the day the UN, for all it's grandiose, is not really an effective organisation when one of the bad boys can veto a resolution which compromises their position.

    So why should our, or any other government, not look to the general principles of the UN charter to be a pre-approval of action?

    And it's already been said. We vote in a government to look after our interests. If they think that action of some sort is relevant to our well being, why shouldn't they get on with it without bringing in a debate based on compromise of many other completely unrelated issues dear to the hearts of those who must be debated with.

    The important thing is, if we don't like it they can be voted out.
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    Something that perpetually bugs me is why is it always us? That country is surrounded by other countries that have the military capability to put bombs on target and they should be equally concerned by anyone dropping chemical weapons on their fellow man and yet they do little to nothing, happy for a country 2850 miles away to spend their funds and risk their people both at home in terms of any retribution and also behind the trigger to stop something bad happening...

    And these countries then demand a seat at various tables of power to influence how we live. The sooner we can wean ourselves off oil the sooner we will be more free of having to be involved in such activities that all eventually lead to a strategy to secure future fuel supply.
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    Our colonial guilt probably has something to do with it, we did draw the lines, also supporting the US today helps them support us tomorrow.

    Don’t really think Syria is about oil, they hardly have any, this is more about local tensions between Saudi and Iran, not sure that any sane person would want Iran to have control over the entire region.

    Then at the side you’ve got the Ruskies looking after themselves.


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    Tories can't have that much colonial guilt considering they are trying to deport thousands of people of the Windrush generation...

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    There wasn't much evidence of colonial guilt throughout the Robert Mugabe years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muttywhitedog View Post
    There wasn't much evidence of colonial guilt throughout the Robert Mugabe years.
    Mugabe was only persecuting white people, which is fine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FOMz View Post
    Tories can't have that much colonial guilt considering they are trying to deport thousands of people of the Windrush generation...
    What is the ruling on dependants who came on the Windrush such as babies and children who have not bothered to apply for residence. Do they just get a freebie.

 

 
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