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    Where’s my f******** jetpack?

    As a child of the 1970’s I was brought up reading classic science fiction novels by the greats; Isaac Asimov, Arthur C Clarke and AE Van Vogt, films like Star Wars and Close Encounters and of course television shows like ‘Tomorrow’s World’.

    All of these brought the promise of travel beyond the stars and amazing inventions, personal jet packs and flying cars.

    Where are all these revolutionary inventions? All we seem to have are new mobile phones with a small additional tweak, a new camera or slightly faster IOS, whoopee doo. Ask yourself this question, what has Apple one lately? What new invention have they sprung upon the world? The answer is nothing. All they do now is produce an endless supply of the same kit they’ve been making for years. A bigger IPad, a faster IPhone, feck all else.

    In 1969 we put men on the moon. The last time a human stood on the lunar surface was in 1972, we haven’t been back physically since then and now, NASA doesn’t even have the capability of putting an astronaut into orbit without going cap in hand to the Russians.

    In 1969 Concorde flew for the first time, London to New York in what? 4 hours? Now it takes an average of 9 -10 hours to do the same journey. I’ve seen loads of mocked up CGI aircraft which they say will do the journey so much faster but we all know that these schemes rarely actually come to fruition (and no doubt the catastrophic climate change loons will try to put stop to it).

    My point? Mankind seems to have stopped trying to advance technologically and instead spends billions of pounds navel-gazing instead. Instead of trying to learn more about the Universe and our place in it we whine about things we can’t change and ignore those areas we could. How about spending the millions of pounds thrown at climate change scientists on making the Third World clean up their rivers that provide most of the pollution that ends up in the seas? Or we could ensure that they have cheap, reliable energy and clean water and that all the people flooding into the West stay in their own country to work to make it better.

    All I wanted was my own personal jet pack. It’s not a big ask is it?
    'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is; it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong', Richard Feynman.

    'Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason', Mark Twain.

    #2
    It probably is a big ask, Ninje, because over the years people have become more risk averse.

    Take the moon landings. From the time JFK made his speech stating "We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard" to the time Neil Armstrong walked on the surface of the Moon, just 7 years had passed. It also took just 7 years from agreeing to co-operate on Concorde to building and flying the first prototype.

    Contrast that with the A380 - the project was announced in 1990 to challenge the dominance of the Boeing 747 in the long haul market, but didnt get officially launched until 2000 - and its turned into a flop.

    And that is the problem; we seem to spend so much time asking ourselves if we should do something ingenious that we lose sight of the fact that we actually can do it.
    Kryten Personal Black Box Recording. Time: unknown. Location: unknown. Cause of accident: unknown. Perhaps if someone finds this recording it will shed light as to what happened here. My short-term memory appears to have been erased.This I ascribe to the proximity of the magnetic coils from Starbug's rear engine. (He looks around briefly) Secondly, due to the proximity of the magnetic coils, my short-term memory appears to have been erased.


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      #3
      I take it you didn't see the start of the MotoGP's race this weekend ?
      Front and (high) centre, a flying man.
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      If anyone wants me, i`ll be here

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        #4
        How about spending the billions of pounds thrown at trying to get back to the moon by the yanks and throw at the Third World clean up their rivers that provide most of the pollution that ends up in the seas? Or we could ensure that they have cheap, reliable energy and clean water and that all the people flooding into the West stay in their own country to work to make it better.

        We've bee to the moon. Nothing to see. There's more to explore on this planet. About exploring the bottom of the deepest oceans.

        I'm a citizen not a subject
        "The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That's how I see football, that's how I see life."

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          #5
          Originally posted by justintime129 View Post
          How about spending the billions of pounds thrown at trying to get back to the moon by the yanks and throw at the Third World clean up their rivers that provide most of the pollution that ends up in the seas? Or we could ensure that they have cheap, reliable energy and clean water and that all the people flooding into the West stay in their own country to work to make it better.

          We've bee to the moon. Nothing to see. There's more to explore on this planet. About exploring the bottom of the deepest oceans.

          I'm a citizen not a subject

          Agree with the ocean exploration, but I would welcome a return to the moon in a bid to colonize it.
          Kryten Personal Black Box Recording. Time: unknown. Location: unknown. Cause of accident: unknown. Perhaps if someone finds this recording it will shed light as to what happened here. My short-term memory appears to have been erased.This I ascribe to the proximity of the magnetic coils from Starbug's rear engine. (He looks around briefly) Secondly, due to the proximity of the magnetic coils, my short-term memory appears to have been erased.


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            #6
            Ninja, you need to read your Asimov again. In the Foundation series Hari Seldon sees that the Empire is collapsing because everyone cannot be bothered anymore, he cites an archaeologist that just reviews previous work rather than digging at the site he is discussing. This has stuck with me since I was a teenager and I often quote it and often believe that we are a society decline.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Kryten View Post
              Agree with the ocean exploration, but I would welcome a return to the moon in a bid to colonize it.
              That pure science fiction. What advantages are there to living on the moon. It would cost trillions, which would be better spent on this planet.

              I'm a citizen not a subject
              "The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That's how I see football, that's how I see life."

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                #8
                Originally posted by justintime129 View Post
                That pure science fiction. What advantages are there to living on the moon. It would cost trillions, which would be better spent on this planet.

                I'm a citizen not a subject

                Well how about the fact that the population of the earth is expanding at such a rate, and that the increased population is consuming Earths resources at an alarming rate, that sooner or later we are going to have to colonise other worlds in order to survive?

                Or how about the fact that by colonizing the Moon you can create an emerging space economy, and that working towards a common goal of lunar colonisation will strengthen relationships between countries and governments?
                Kryten Personal Black Box Recording. Time: unknown. Location: unknown. Cause of accident: unknown. Perhaps if someone finds this recording it will shed light as to what happened here. My short-term memory appears to have been erased.This I ascribe to the proximity of the magnetic coils from Starbug's rear engine. (He looks around briefly) Secondly, due to the proximity of the magnetic coils, my short-term memory appears to have been erased.


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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Kryten View Post
                  Well how about the fact that the population of the earth is expanding at such a rate, and that the increased population is consuming Earths resources at an alarming rate, that sooner or later we are going to have to colonise other worlds in order to survive?

                  Or how about the fact that by colonizing the Moon you can create an emerging space economy, and that working towards a common goal of lunar colonisation will strengthen relationships between countries and governments?
                  So why aren't we co-operating with each other now. Indians Yanks Chinese all going Thier own way. Ain't going to happen. Throw the money at discovering alternative ways of power food water.

                  I'm a citizen not a subject
                  "The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That's how I see football, that's how I see life."

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by justintime129 View Post
                    So why aren't we co-operating with each other now. Indians Yanks Chinese all going Thier own way. Ain't going to happen. Throw the money at discovering alternative ways of power food water.

                    I'm a citizen not a subject

                    There is co-operation now:

                    https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/81...obal-partners/

                    And you want alternative sources of food?

                    https://www.space.com/9353-lunar-gre...-colonies.html

                    Power?

                    https://www.geek.com/science/could-t...power-1607044/

                    The planet has benefitted from space travel thus far - why wouldnt you invest in colonising the Moon and then exploiting it and the technologies used to get you there and sustain you across the world?
                    Last edited by Kryten; 22-05-2019, 12:32.
                    Kryten Personal Black Box Recording. Time: unknown. Location: unknown. Cause of accident: unknown. Perhaps if someone finds this recording it will shed light as to what happened here. My short-term memory appears to have been erased.This I ascribe to the proximity of the magnetic coils from Starbug's rear engine. (He looks around briefly) Secondly, due to the proximity of the magnetic coils, my short-term memory appears to have been erased.


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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Kryten View Post
                      There is co-operation now:

                      https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/81...obal-partners/

                      And you want alternative sources of food?

                      https://www.space.com/9353-lunar-gre...-colonies.html

                      Power?

                      https://www.geek.com/science/could-t...power-1607044/

                      The planet has benefitted from space travel thus far - why wouldnt you invest in colonising the Moon and then exploiting it and the technologies used to get you there and sustain you across the world?
                      One country Israel. Chinese are mentioned but no hint of joining together.

                      More money could be spent on alternative food sand energy sources.

                      You can still invest in new new technologies without the need to go to the moon.

                      The yanks going back to the moon is just a vanity project for Trump. He doesn't like the idea of the Chinese getting there before him
                      I'm a citizen not a subject
                      Last edited by justintime129; 22-05-2019, 12:37.
                      "The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That's how I see football, that's how I see life."

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by justintime129 View Post
                        One country Israel. Chinese are mentioned but no hint of joining together.

                        More money could be spent on alternative food sand energy sources.

                        You can still invest in new new technologies without the need to go to the moon.

                        The yanks going back to the moon is just a vanity project for Trump. He doesn't like the idea of the Chinese getting there before him
                        I'm a citizen not a subject

                        That's utter rubbish - the idea of going back to the moon predates Trump; Bush was a keen advocate yet surprisingly Obama wasn't.

                        Want more examples of collaboration?

                        Here's a couple:

                        https://www.theguardian.com/science/...-space-station
                        https://www.inverse.com/article/3088...ency-moon-base


                        So based on your opposition I guess you believe that any form of space exploration is a waste of money, and that the money should be better spent here on Earth?
                        Kryten Personal Black Box Recording. Time: unknown. Location: unknown. Cause of accident: unknown. Perhaps if someone finds this recording it will shed light as to what happened here. My short-term memory appears to have been erased.This I ascribe to the proximity of the magnetic coils from Starbug's rear engine. (He looks around briefly) Secondly, due to the proximity of the magnetic coils, my short-term memory appears to have been erased.


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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Kryten View Post
                          That's utter rubbish - the idea of going back to the moon predates Trump; Bush was a keen advocate yet surprisingly Obama wasn't.

                          Want more examples of collaboration?

                          Here's a couple:

                          https://www.theguardian.com/science/...-space-station
                          https://www.inverse.com/article/3088...ency-moon-base


                          So based on your opposition I guess you believe that any form of space exploration is a waste of money, and that the money should be better spent here on Earth?
                          No explore the universe. But leave the moon been there nothing to see.

                          I'm a citizen not a subject
                          "The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That's how I see football, that's how I see life."

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by justintime129 View Post
                            No explore the universe. But leave the moon been there nothing to see.

                            I'm a citizen not a subject

                            So as an example then we should ignore the possibility of mining Helium 3, a cheap gas that has the potential to be used as a fuel in future nuclear fusion power plants here on earth, and known to be in abundance on the Moon?
                            Kryten Personal Black Box Recording. Time: unknown. Location: unknown. Cause of accident: unknown. Perhaps if someone finds this recording it will shed light as to what happened here. My short-term memory appears to have been erased.This I ascribe to the proximity of the magnetic coils from Starbug's rear engine. (He looks around briefly) Secondly, due to the proximity of the magnetic coils, my short-term memory appears to have been erased.


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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Kryten View Post
                              So as an example then we should ignore the possibility of mining Helium 3, a cheap gas that has the potential to be used as a fuel in future nuclear fusion power plants here on earth, and known to be in abundance on the Moon?
                              And how much would it cost to bring it back. What kind of space vehicle would you need. The cists would far outweigh the benefits.

                              I'm a citizen not a subject
                              "The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That's how I see football, that's how I see life."

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