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    The BMA and Foreigners using the NHS

    The BMA has voted overwhelmingly for the cessation of charging foreigners for using NHS services. Apparently doing this is racist (isn’t everything these days?). They will now lobby the government to amend the law.

    Is this a good idea or one of the most stupid decisions thus far? To my mind this will allow anyone who makes it into the country able to use British taxpayers to fund their treatment. There will be a knock on effect to waiting lists and an increase in health tourism.

    What do you think? Good idea or bad?
    'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is; it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong', Richard Feynman.

    'Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason', Mark Twain.

    #2
    If the Tories stay in under Hunt, they'll get it too. I can understand the NHS starchy bosom towards the planet approach, because bigger state funding = more power. It's purely political and lefty which is what the BMA, NHA and RCN are all about.

    However, there is a complete disconnect between Parliament and the people who pay for the nation. The State thinks its their money now.

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      #3
      Add a health insurance fee to any visa application, that should sort it out, for EU nationals there are reciprocal charging arrangements, both of these should catch 90% of people arriving, then we don't need to give a feck.

      Its not up to the Drs, they're the employees, its our money, money spent on health tourist is money that cant be spent on someone else.


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        #4
        An estimated 200 million spent on health tourism.

        https://fullfact.org/health/health-t...-and-who-pays/.

        A small sum compared to the money the government spends on wasteful projects.

        Overspend of 3billion on 2 carriers HS2 project. Failed it projects. Failed MoJ projects.

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        if you don't believe in something then you'll fall for anything
        "The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That's how I see football, that's how I see life."

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          #5
          An estimated 200 million spent on health tourism.
          That's because the EU nations are "entitled" and don't count, irrespective of how **** they are. Check out any maternity ward to see if I'm wrong.

          Notwithstanding, if you think this is acceptable, don't ever complain about waiting times ever again.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Stevienics View Post
            That's because the EU nations are "entitled" and don't count, irrespective of how **** they are. Check out any maternity ward to see if I'm wrong.

            Notwithstanding, if you think this is acceptable, don't ever complain about waiting times ever again.
            The NHS has a budget of 124 billion a year so health tourism is roughly .0.3% of the budget. Missed hospital appointments cost over 1billion a year plus missed drs appointments. Don't see any furore there.

            I'm a citizen not a subject
            if you don't believe in something then you'll fall for anything
            "The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That's how I see football, that's how I see life."

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              #7
              Missed hospital appointments cost over 1billion a year plus missed drs appointments
              That's because it's nominal calculation based upon unit costs per hour....not actual money. In reality, other people are seen and everything slides to accommodate.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Stevienics View Post
                That's because it's nominal calculation based upon unit costs per hour....not actual money. In reality, other people are seen and everything slides to accommodate.
                No they are not if you don't turn up for a hospital appointment you just can't magic another patient from the waiting list.

                I'm a citizen not a subject
                if you don't believe in something then you'll fall for anything
                "The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That's how I see football, that's how I see life."

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                  #9
                  My view is that this one of those times we ‘watch and wait’. First of all the BMA have to get politicians to change the law; there might still be a few with a backbone who will simply say “no”.

                  Even if the spineless jellyfish do cave in and the law’s changed it might mean nothing happens but it could easily get out of hand. If someone can jump on an aircraft and enter the UK (and given our porous borders perhaps even just paddle across the Channel) there would be nothing to stop them approaching the NHS for treatment.

                  We’ll see.
                  'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is; it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong', Richard Feynman.

                  'Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason', Mark Twain.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ninjarabbi View Post
                    My view is that this one of those times we ‘watch and wait’. First of all the BMA have to get politicians to change the law; there might still be a few with a backbone who will simply say “no”.

                    Even if the spineless jellyfish do cave in and the law’s changed it might mean nothing happens but it could easily get out of hand. If someone can jump on an aircraft and enter the UK (and given our porous borders perhaps even just paddle across the Channel) there would be nothing to stop them approaching the NHS for treatment.

                    We’ll see.
                    Did you see thAt program on a London hospital who delivered 4l babies to a Nigerian woman. She went to the states where she had family but was turned away because she had the wrong paperwork. She the flew back to Nigeria, where she went into labour over the Atlantic. She had the babies and the bill was nearly £500,000. Which she has no means of repaying. The right wing press immediately called a health tourist. The question I ask is how can we ignore someone with a medical emergency.

                    I'm a citizen not a subject
                    if you don't believe in something then you'll fall for anything
                    "The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That's how I see football, that's how I see life."

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by justintime129 View Post
                      Did you see thAt program on a London hospital who delivered 4l babies to a Nigerian woman. She went to the states where she had family but was turned away because she had the wrong paperwork. She the flew back to Nigeria, where she went into labour over the Atlantic. She had the babies and the bill was nearly £500,000. Which she has no means of repaying. The right wing press immediately called a health tourist. The question I ask is how can we ignore someone with a medical emergency.

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                      Silly me, I thought pregnancies were nine months long, ergo not an emergency.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Rocket_Ronster View Post
                        Silly me, I thought pregnancies were nine months long, ergo not an emergency.
                        She went into labour on the aircraft back from the states. In your world just leave until she gets back to Nigeria, doesn't matter she's carrying quads.

                        I'm a citizen not a subject
                        if you don't believe in something then you'll fall for anything
                        "The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That's how I see football, that's how I see life."

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by justintime129 View Post
                          The NHS has a budget of 124 billion a year so health tourism is roughly .0.3% of the budget. Missed hospital appointments cost over 1billion a year plus missed drs appointments. Don't see any furore there.

                          I'm a citizen not a subject
                          if you don't believe in something then you'll fall for anything
                          The link you put up said it coats over £2bn to treat all the overseas users of our Health care per year, that's nearer 2%.

                          Try using another countries healthcare, they have no qualms about swiping your card before they treat you.


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                            #14
                            Originally posted by justintime129 View Post
                            She went into labour on the aircraft back from the states. In your world just leave until she gets back to Nigeria, doesn't matter she's carrying quads.
                            You're telling me she didn't plan to have those kids delivered in a country anywhere but Nigeria then?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by busby1971 View Post
                              The link you put up said it coats over £2bn to treat all the overseas users of our Health care per year, that's nearer 2%.

                              Try using another countries healthcare, they have no qualms about swiping your card before they treat you.


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                              The link said health tourism was 200 million. That's what this thread is about.

                              I'm a citizen not a subject
                              if you don't believe in something then you'll fall for anything
                              "The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That's how I see football, that's how I see life."

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