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Arty Monitors
06-06-2010, 07:14
I hear rumours that at the ATC 5-a-side tournament, the 'winning' team fielded non-TG9 personell.... is that allowed? Doesn't that go against the spirit of the competition?

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

TTF Now.

FatFOM
08-06-2010, 07:51
Is it true that the person who won the 'Player of the tournament' award was a PTI that represents the RAF at Football? Last time I checked, PTI's were not in TG9, Flt Ops or ATC Branch.

Soldier of Justice
08-06-2010, 09:21
All true, he was a PTI, not to mention the other ringer TTF had in their side even though they had a TG9 player on the bench. Its ok though as Shawbury A who lost in the final also had a medic in goal and another ringer.

Shawbury truly is a bastion of Integrity and set a fine example to the young students and rest of the trade.

Shortie
08-06-2010, 11:13
I'm ex TG3 and I've played for ATC at Shawbury (albeit about 15 years ago!) And what a top weekend and Tornie it was too! I don't think having the odd "ringer" in the team does any harm, but if they start to become the majority then that's a different matter. We nearly always had ringers at the Siggies Cup.

Not sure on what the official line would be from event organisers?

Soldier of Justice
08-06-2010, 11:29
I'm ex TG3 and I've played for ATC at Shawbury (albeit about 15 years ago!) And what a top weekend and Tornie it was too! I don't think having the odd "ringer" in the team does any harm, but if they start to become the majority then that's a different matter. We nearly always had ringers at the Siggies Cup.

Not sure on what the official line would be from event organisers?

I take it you were ground radio and the tower couldnt get a side? Bit different from getting an RAF player from the gym to score all your goals and get player of the tournament.

Soldier of Justice
08-06-2010, 12:01
Its called cheating by the way.

Arty Monitors
08-06-2010, 12:10
I wonder why none of the Shawbury contingent have replied. Why is that? Have they all been told to remain silent about this?

It's strange what happens when you are caught out.

TTF Now

Soldier of Justice
08-06-2010, 12:26
I wonder why none of the Shawbury contingent have replied. Why is that? Have they all been told to remain silent about this?

It's strange what happens when you are caught out.

TTF Now

It is because they are embarrassed at having to cheat to pick up a trophy. Respect, INTEGRITY, Service Before Self, Excellence.

monobrow
08-06-2010, 12:31
I wonder why none of the Shawbury contingent have replied. Why is that?
Perhaps because it's an unofficial forum and not the station commanders forum...

If you have a problem with it, take it up with the event organisers to clarify the eligibility of the star player.

orgASMic
08-06-2010, 12:38
I'm with Monobrow on this.

Did anyone complain at the time? Did anyone check the competition rules? Find someone who was adversely affected and get them to lodge a complaint.

A blind eye has always been shown to the odd ringer (it all adds to the flavour) but to award Player of the Tournament to someone who is not ATC is not in the spirit of the competition, even if it not against the rules (if they exist).

It sucks and it's not right but , if no-one complains, tough titty.

orgASMic
08-06-2010, 12:41
If you feel strongly enough, post a message on the discussion board on facebook and get the subject out in the open with some people who were there. The group is called 'Shawbury 5's 2010'.

Otherwise, stfu.

Soldier of Justice
08-06-2010, 12:49
If you feel strongly enough, post a message on the discussion board on facebook and get the subject out in the open with some people who were there. The group is called 'Shawbury 5's 2010'.

Otherwise, stfu.
Complaints have been lodged with Shawbury i believe.

FOMz
08-06-2010, 12:50
I gather that complaints have been made, but there seems to be culture of not having the inclination to listen to what they deem as unwanted complaints.

As for posting on FaceTube... you what??!!??? That's REALLY official isn't it. :PDT_Xtremez_42:

orgASMic
08-06-2010, 12:57
As for posting on FaceTube... you what??!!??? That's REALLY official isn't it.

But it would get the people who were ther involved and talking about it openly and lend credence to the complaint. It is easy to brush aside a single poorly-worded complaint as a whinge. It is not so easy to ignore an entire outrage bus full of ire from the very people you are supposed to be entertaining. Ultimately, if the people don't want it, it won't happen.

Soldier of Justice
08-06-2010, 13:06
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it

FlightOpsAnimal
08-06-2010, 13:12
Everyone getting wound up about a boozed up football event??? Obviously too much time to spare.... Man up and drink more next time, then you wont care who's playing or who wins... after all....IT'S A GAME :PDT_Xtremez_32:

Soldier of Justice
08-06-2010, 13:22
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.

FlightOpsAnimal
08-06-2010, 13:24
Be carefull in those glass houses fellas

You Can Call Me Al
08-06-2010, 13:28
This sort of tosh reminds me why I haven't bothered posting on here for an eternity.

It is accepted that the choice of the subject player as best in tournament was unfortunate.

'Cheating', 'no integrity', 'caught out'; for goodness sake, these unfounded comments merely go to highlight the posters as small-minded whingers.

In the great scheme of things - does it really matter who wins what when you consider the underlying goals (see what I did there?) of the tournament which have been in place since the inception of the ATC 5s many, many moons ago. The goals:


Raise a stack of money for charity
Meet old friends
Get very drunk before/during the tournament
Play some football

Several thousand pounds were raised this year. There was unanimous praise for the organisation and hospitality. If there were some c*ck-ups - well dry your eyes precious and volunteer to do a better job next year.

(Looks up 'priorities' in OED)

Soldier of Justice
08-06-2010, 13:32
This sort of tosh reminds me why I haven't bothered posting on here for an eternity.

It is accepted that the choice of the subject player as best in tournament was unfortunate.

'Cheating', 'no integrity', 'caught out'; for goodness sake, these unfounded comments merely go to highlight the posters as small-minded whingers.

In the great scheme of things - does it really matter who wins what when you consider the underlying goals (see what I did there?) of the tournament which have been in place since the inception of the ATC 5s many, many moons ago. The goals:


Raise a stack of money for charity
Meet old friends
Get very drunk before/during the tournament
Play some football
Several thousand pounds were raised this year. There was unanimous praise for the organisation and hospitality. If there were some c*ck-ups - well dry your eyes precious and volunteer to do a better job next year.

(Looks up 'priorities' in OED)

Please explain if they are the goals why TTF played ringers when they have more than enough TG9 to make up a side? If you can't then run along.

FlightOpsAnimal
08-06-2010, 13:33
This sort of tosh reminds me why I haven't bothered posting on here for an eternity.

It is accepted that the choice of the subject player as best in tournament was unfortunate.

'Cheating', 'no integrity', 'caught out'; for goodness sake, these unfounded comments merely go to highlight the posters as small-minded whingers.

In the great scheme of things - does it really matter who wins what when you consider the underlying goals (see what I did there?) of the tournament which have been in place since the inception of the ATC 5s many, many moons ago. The goals:


Raise a stack of money for charity
Meet old friends
Get very drunk before/during the tournament
Play some football
Several thousand pounds were raised this year. There was unanimous praise for the organisation and hospitality. If there were some c*ck-ups - well dry your eyes precious and volunteer to do a better job next year.

(Looks up 'priorities' in OED)


:PDT_Xtremez_30: Finally, someone who recognises the fives for what they really are!!!

You Can Call Me Al
08-06-2010, 13:37
I wouldn't normally rise to dickwads like you.

In fact I still won't.

Get a life.

Out.

:PDT_Xtremez_06:

Soldier of Justice
08-06-2010, 13:38
I wouldn't normally rise to dickwads like you.

In fact I still won't.

Get a life.

Out.

:PDT_Xtremez_06:

Sometimes the questions are complicated and the answers are simple

Arty Monitors
08-06-2010, 14:24
No one is questioning the amount of money raised for charity at all.

BUT

As the competition was advertised as the Air Traffic 5's, therefore you should reasonably expect teams to be made up from Air Traffickers/TG9/Flt Ops..not PTI's.
Sporting competitions by there very nature are commonly defined as an organized competitive, and skillful physical activity requiring commitment and fair play (Something I think that was lacking by allowing teams full of PTI's).
If you can't get enough TG9 to play, you don't enter a team; surely thats not that difficult is it?

TTF Now

SirSaltyHelmet
08-06-2010, 15:19
Teams full of PTIs? That indicates 7 to me. TTF have used PTIs many times in the past in the 5s.

Grand scheme of things, did anyone die? No? What's the problem? Raised thousands and no doubt a good time was had by all.

Did the losing team in the final complain?

Air Force Blue
08-06-2010, 15:28
All true, he was a PTI, not to mention the other ringer TTF had in their side even though they had a TG9 player on the bench. Its ok though as Shawbury A who lost in the final also had a medic in goal and another ringer.

Shawbury truly is a bastion of Integrity and set a fine example to the young students and rest of the trade.

Are you sure your comments about the player concerned representing the RAF are true, i have a feeling you are wrong...? Was he in fact just one of many ringers playing in the tournament?

I very much doubt he went along with the intention of picking up a trophy, but in fact went along for a great day like the ringers that appeared in most teams...

It seems like youre issue isnt that ringers were playing, as that has been the case every year, and i dont think complaints have been made before. It seems you just dont like the fact that one was in the winning team. If any of the other teams had won, would you still be making such a fuss?

You Can Call Me Al
08-06-2010, 15:36
Arty Monitors - whilst you haven't quite risen to the heights of dickwaddiness as SOJ (AKA Kn*b) - you are surely having a mighty good go at it.

If you can't get enough TG9 to play, you don't enter a team; surely thats not that difficult is it? - what a well-reasoned argument. That will REALLY help to boost the charity's coffers. Take note of SSH's comments. Now can we please concentrate on important stuff and wait for the flood of volunteers from the ranks of the whiners to organise next years event?

PS - they'd better be quick about it as I understand that admin for the next disaster has already started.

Soldier of Justice
08-06-2010, 16:03
Arty Monitors - whilst you haven't quite risen to the heights of dickwaddiness as SOJ (AKA Kn*b) - you are surely having a mighty good go at it.
- what a well-reasoned argument. That will REALLY help to boost the charity's coffers. Take note of SSH's comments. Now can we please concentrate on important stuff and wait for the flood of volunteers from the ranks of the whiners to organise next years event?

PS - they'd better be quick about it as I understand that admin for the next disaster has already started.


Why the offensive comments? If its just a charity event and trade group is irrelevant then why call it the ATC 5s? Why do WE pay OUR money to enter and travel at OUR expense for Shawbury not to enter in the spirit of the competition. It is after all a competition isnt it? Some people sustained fairly serious injuries playing saturday because thats what happens when you play competitive sport. The PTI who won player of the tournament thoroughly deserved to, he was exceptional in every game and has a great future playing RAF sport.

Yes money was raised and a lot of good will come from that, it was still on the premise of a football tournament though. If Lossie play a ringer then surely their integrity is called into question and if they win then the victory is tainted, yes or no? For a Station with such a large number of TG9 personnel who dont even have to travel or stay at their own expense, is their really an excuse?

Perhaps we are all being a little over the top but it still grates slightly that we could all have played ringers yet entered into the spirit of the competition only for Shawbury not to.

Still the offensive comments are completely uncalled for and childish.

Hmmmm
09-06-2010, 16:56
I remember when the Fives was a lazy man's excuse for a few beers. Teams didn't have strips, refs wouldn't have noticed 6 players on the pitch, goal posts were moved and, to be honest, no one even noticed that there was a trophy at the end of the day.

However, in latter years things became a bit more serious and there was a degree of pride involved, people started to get hurt and a few players didn't even have a drink before the games!!!!! Maybe someone should have gripped the situation then and clarified the aim of the 'tournament'.

Anyway, I have always had a cracking time at the Fives and have much respect for the work that CATCS put into the event. Maybe next year people can take it a little less seriously and just have a bleedin' good time in the Aries Club on the Friday night?

PS. If it really is an ATC tournament, how come so many Ops bods always pitch-up? ;)

SirSaltyHelmet
09-06-2010, 17:17
PS. If it really is an ATC tournament, how come so many Ops bods always pitch-up? ;)

Easy to answer:

a. To raise the average IQ of the attendees.

b. To show the wooly woofter controller branch how to drink.

c. To make sure that at least a few players on the pitch can standup straight by virtue of having some sort of back bone.

I hope this helps! ;)


Pleased with that answer, even if I say so myself!

185
09-06-2010, 18:10
I take it no one has been to the binbrook bomb rugby 7s.Full of ringers,but then it was only an excuse for a get together and psiss up. To this day i have no idea who walked away with the bomb from one year to the next.

Chaka
10-06-2010, 11:54
Arty Monitors & SoJ - Man Up wet pants!boxer
SSH - Stop teasing Controllers.:p
Hmmmm & YCCMA - Well said.:cool:

What's the bloody point?
11-06-2010, 19:05
TTF fielding ringers? I thought the last two SI's were a little lacking in integrity..... Colonel, I thought better of you! :PDT_Xtremez_42:

To be honest, I lost interest in it all when the station I was at held training sessions prior to the event!

R_Squared
11-06-2010, 21:51
....PS. If it really is an ATC tournament, how come so many Ops bods always pitch-up? ;)

Easy, they've got plenty of time on their hands.

Muttley
13-06-2010, 00:01
This sort of tosh reminds me why I haven't bothered posting on here for an eternity.

It is accepted that the choice of the subject player as best in tournament was unfortunate.

'Cheating', 'no integrity', 'caught out'; for goodness sake, these unfounded comments merely go to highlight the posters as small-minded whingers.

In the great scheme of things - does it really matter who wins what when you consider the underlying goals (see what I did there?) of the tournament which have been in place since the inception of the ATC 5s many, many moons ago. The goals:


Raise a stack of money for charity
Meet old friends
Get very drunk before/during the tournament
Play some football

Several thousand pounds were raised this year. There was unanimous praise for the organisation and hospitality. If there were some c*ck-ups - well dry your eyes precious and volunteer to do a better job next year.

(Looks up 'priorities' in OED)

Well said!

APomDownUnder
13-06-2010, 22:48
I remember going to Shawbury in the early 90’s for 2 of the tournaments – where the priorities were more like:

• Get very drunk before/during the tournament
• Meet old friends
• Get more drunk in evening
• Play some football (well 5 or 6 out of the 20 of us who went did anyway!)
• Try to explain antics away when we got back – Have Satco send apology for our ‘exuberance’ and promise we would be better behaved next year! (he was a good guy, and sent the same letter two years in a row - although it was a bit harder to explain why there had been a call from Shawbury the second year after we promised we would behave better after the first time he got a call)

There was probably some charity involvement – I vaguely recall it. I also have no idea who won any of the competitions. I remember loudly booing LATCC a few times in ‘93, because – well they were LATCC and deserved it, somehow (probably!)

But the thing I remember the most is having a lot of fun and catching up with people I didn’t see very often.

Were there ringers back then – probably!, in fact yes, mostly from trades that would know ATC types (Ground Radio, fireman etc) – does it matter all that much in the grand scheme of things – no, not really!.

Did teams take it seriously back then?, yes – some did – and some just drank heavily.. I remember we had team t-shirts made up and the playing contingent took it very seriously – not drinking until after they were done for the day – but the larger (non playing!) contingent made up for it and drank their share during the day. I also saw at least one of their games over the weekend!.

Did anyone complain about ringers afterwards – NO!!!!! It was seen for what it was, a good chance to get together – for some to play footy as seriously as they liked (and that ranged from very serious to not at all!) – for everyone to have a few drinks and laughs. Raise some money for charity – there wasn’t FA scouts in the crowd, and at the end of the day who won was usually forgotten within a week or two by everyone else!..

Finally, a long overdue ‘thank-you’ to the organizers of the ’92 and ’93 competitions – they were really good fun! (Even if the tales of our behavior got back to our SATCO before we did! – in fairness though, usually from a Shawbury duty officer rather than the tournament organizers! And part of the experience was being called into his office for a little ‘chat’ about it, and to help frame the apology)

And indeed, a big thanks to the organizers who have kept if going for all the subsequent years (I’m sure it has stayed just as good!).

And to the whiners – get a life!

insideinfoman
18-06-2010, 10:36
If my old memory serves me right "ringers" have been around since the very beginning.

So I thing people need to read the last post and remember what it was all about and go back to the good ol' days.

As for me, the 5's lost its fun when a certain Tower team, not a million miles away where its held, practised for months before the tournement and had a hissy fit when they got beat....so funny

Oh and WTBP.........careful with what you say it might come back to haunt you one day LOL
:PDT_Xtremez_30:

You Can Call Me Al
18-06-2010, 13:21
Been away, so couldn't insult you sooner.

Childish - moi? YOU started it ('run along' indeed!)

Offensive - moi? You are still a narrow-minded, not-very-clever individual who needs to grasp the concept of the bigger picture.

It should now have become apparent to you, hopefully, from the other posts from those wiser than I that you are in a very small minority of whingers who have completely missed the point of the ATC fives.

So there.

The Controller
18-06-2010, 13:37
...on the same topic...could someone tell me where the Shawbury Fives are played each year and how many in a team? Thank you.

Hmmmm
21-06-2010, 08:28
Careful - trick question. :)

R_Squared
21-06-2010, 13:47
Is it going in the PK?

What's the bloody point?
24-06-2010, 15:03
Oh and WTBP.........careful with what you say it might come back to haunt you one day LOL
:PDT_Xtremez_30:


NEVER......they still have the black ball with my name on it!

erindoors
09-07-2010, 01:41
The fives used to be about the meet and greet, a fun few games of footie with many leaning over the side lines chucking up the night before antics, a trip into town and then a handshake and a "see you next year"including many pounds raised for charity.... however in very recent years it has become a far to serious event which is being attended by fewer and fewer people due to the lack of true spirit .....whatever happened to the fun-side and yes that included the ringers .... where is the costumes and laughs rather than the whinging by the losers (stripes not chevons or propellers)....bring back the fun charity event of old . Well done DR EVIL in the first year it was handed to the real workers - the poor relations.