JPA - A Success!!!(according to the RAF website)

[FOMz]

Don't eat or drink whilst opening this link, or the contents of you mouth well end up on the screen when you nearly choke with disbelief! :PDT_Xtremez_42:
JPA - A success (http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/news_0605_08.html)

[monobrow]

On 20 March 06, the Armed Forces Personnel Administration Agency (AFPAA) successfully rolled out JPA to over 48,000 RAF Service personnel throughout the world on time and on budget. The event marked the culmination of five years system design, development, integration and testing and bears testimony to a very strong partnering arrangement between MOD and EDS.

5 years system design???

jesus, you would have thought that it would work after that!! after all it's just a databse with a web based input system.

What a load of tosh, and if they did spend 5 years doing it, it must have had one fookin massive budget, comparable with what seems like our spares budget at the moment!

[Talk Wrench]

VOMIT

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Which farytale book was this one plagiarsed from?


What a load of cheesy Spin.


JPA, :PDT_Xtremez_25: :PDT_Xtremez_25: :PDT_Xtremez_25:

TW

[macthegooner]

This article says it all..

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/09/eds_jpa_raf/

[Almost_done]

Just to drag this thread up to the top again, a cut and paste from PPRUNE.

I see from Hansard that Mr Cameron asked the Secratary of State, at Defence Parliamentary Questions on Friday 2 Jun, a compound question alluding to the problematic introduction of JPA to the RAF.

Mr Watson, in replying for SofS, told Mr Cameron that there had been very few problems, and no official complaints. It is all, apparently, a remarkable success story due the 5 years of development and extensive testing and the very strong partnership between the MoD and EDS.

Apparently, so far, it has only cost the taxpayer £118 Million.

Good God.

Regards

Ginseng

As said on PPRUNE, where do I fill out an offical report, it's pants, still crashes on me, can't update my details, still can self authorise my leave passess and the JPAC are useless, they have no understanding of the needs of us, the customer.

We are also being forced to buy into a civvy speak based and built system, that has no human face. that tied into the sly withdrawing of allowances under the JSP 752 which by the way is now on issue 3.

Wg Cmdr Field must be secure in his future job with EDS alongside the B man.

Rant off.

[mightyhunter]

On 20 March 06, the Armed Forces Personnel Administration Agency (AFPAA) successfully rolled out JPA to over 48,000 RAF Service personnel throughout the world on time and on budget.complete toss!!

[Mug?]

AFPAA have every confidence in the technical solution and are focused on delivering the quality of service on which our Armed Forces can depend and be proud. - (says it all really)

There should be someone held to account for this balls up.
I know of several people who have tried the redress route but have been palmed off with the usual PSF "it will all be sorted out next pay run".
Or JPAC answers.
" Whats redress mean?"
" Redress doesn't apply to the JPAC "

Seem to think it has become a joke and concearns are not taken seriously.

[Mighty_Wokka]

Dare I say it but I find JPA works ok now.

When it first started it was absolute toss, could never get online, when you did you were waiting for ages only to find the page failed or you could only do 3 pointless tasks.

One thing I would say, is that claiming its a Success is typical RAF bullsh*t plus spending £118 million is a travesty - we have been ripped off big time!

[Major Geek]

I agree it all seems to be running OK now however it has got to be one of the worst introductions of a new IT system ever.

"there have been a small number of minor discrepancies caused by the migration of data from the legacy system to JPA"

No s**t Sherlock!!! Exactly what data was transferred anyway? Whoever agreed to turn off the old systems and not run them alongside the new for a few months needs shooting.

It seems senior ranks spend a lot of time banging on about project managment, PRINCE, MS Project blah blah blah. Dosn't seem like they project managed the introduction at all. It will work in the end becuase it is an off the shelf product already used elsewhere.

And the JPAC are completely useless at the moment. I have had all my issues resolved via my "local" HR (PSF) at Innsworth (I am based in the East of England).

[The Panther]

I hate to agree also, but JPA is working well at my camp. I wonder how things will go when/if they allow outside access. A breif i attended said there was some sercurity issues that needed some attention before this happens. So how confident is everyone that there personnel details will be safe ?

[Major Geek]

Are you saying that we will be able to access JPA from the Internet? If that is true then I for one am not confident in the systems security.

[The Masked Geek]

System security? There is no security and I'm not joking.

We have alerted the people in charge and they seem to do nothing.

591 have also flagged up the lack of security and they have proven that it is possible to "hack" the system with little effort yet the people in charge seem to do nothing.

Mind you, hacking the system just before a pay-run could get you £millions and, with an identity stolen from the system, pinning down the criminal would be almost impossible.

Well done system designers.

It's about time they got somebody with a bit of knowledge on requirements capture teams. The lack of security should never have been an issue; afterall, the civvy HRMS and the new Eurofighter support systems have SSL security built-in.

[The Panther]

Its very scary and im not sure of the time scale, but yes they are planing to have JPA accessable via the internet. The breif was a few weeks back and taken by some groupie, he was saying that in the future?!? we would be able to put leave etc from are home computers via the internet. He then procided to dodge questions about site sercurity , saying there were a few issues that needed sorting out. Great !

[The Masked Geek]

Its very scary and im not sure of the time scale, but yes they are planing to have JPA accessable via the internet. The breif was a few weeks back and taken by some groupie, he was saying that in the future?!? we would be able to put leave etc from are home computers via the internet. He then procided to dodge questions about site sercurity , saying there were a few issues that needed sorting out. Great !

A few issues? More like one huge issue, I wonder if they actually know what they are doing.

[The Masked Geek]

And now they have shut down the RAF IT Security forum...I wonder why?

[monobrow]

And now they have shut down the RAF IT Security forum...I wonder why?

because it's insecure???

[auchtermuchty]

[[QUOTE=Major Geek]I agree it all seems to be running OK now however it has got to be one of the worst introductions of a new IT system ever.]

Do you remember how they did LITS? :PDT_Xtremez_32:

At least everyone got ****ed of at once this time instead of over 5 years!

[Major Geek]

But did/does anybody really care about LITS? JPA affects you directly especially when there are problems relating to money.

[firestorm]

You all seem somewhat suprised that our glorious, incompetant government can lie about its failings, why? They have plenty of form don't they?

[rest have risen above me]

But did/does anybody really care about LITS? JPA affects you directly especially when there are problems relating to money.
LITS was the bane of my life for nearly 2 years so yes there was a little concern about LITS and its flight safety issues. But at least they kept SEMA on line whilst they tried to get it working. Admittedly it still wasn't working when SEMA was switched off but I think that was because the LITS boys were getting embarrssed..lol
With JPA I conveniently buried my head in the sand until last week when I got back from det and touch wood I've not had a major problem.

[woollymouse]

Don't ring the JPAC then unless you have at leat half and hour to spare and you are not trying to ring reference a pay query.

I had to laugh at the article in the Mail on Sunday of two weeks ago that mentioned that everyone's pay had now been sorted out. Don't make me laugh. Obviously the person quoted doesn't realise that May's pay threw up fresh problems, which the HR staff are trying to correct with no help from JPAC who insist that the individual needs to speak to them direct or they insist the individual needs to speak to the Unit HR staff (hold on I amHR staff!!!!!! quote from one of my collegues) or was it just that the growbags got their flying pay sorted.