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Had this in my E-mail this morning, from a northern British fellow!!!
Would you class this as being racist?
If you reply, please also state your nationality.
Regards Pueblos...
Goodbye my England, so long old friend.
Your days are numbered, being brought to an end.
To be Scottish or Irish or Welsh that's just fine,
But don't say you're English that's way out of line!
The French and the Germans may call themselves such,
As may the Norwegians, the Swedes and the Dutch.
You can say you are Russian or maybe a Dane,
But don't say you are English ever again.
At Broadcasting House that word is taboo,
In Brussels they've scrapped it, in Parliament too.
Even schools are affected, staff do as they're told,
They mustn't teach children about the England of old.
Writers like Shakespeare, Milton or Shaw,
Do pupils not learn about them anymore?
How about Agincourt, Hastings or Mons?
Where England lost hosts of her very brave sons.
We're not Europeans, how can we be?
Europe is miles away, over the sea!
We're English from England let's all be proud.
Stand up and be counted, shout it out loud!
Let's tell Gordon Brown and Brussels too.
We're proud of our heritage, not just red, white and blue.
Fly the flag of St. George, not the Union Jack!
Let the World know ENGLAND is back!
::P:
gemarriott
24-08-2007, 09:13
sounds about right to me
BTW I am a child of a welshman and a black one legged mentaly deficient lesbian dwarf from Afghanistan seeking assylum, can you please support my claim?
sounds about right to me
BTW I am a child of a welshman and a black one legged mentaly deficient lesbian dwarf from Afghanistan seeking assylum, can you please support my claim?
Brother!!!! oh for so long I have searched to world for you...::P:
Soon To Leave
24-08-2007, 09:32
No - I don't think it's racist.
Proud to say I'm English, British, a member of the European Community and an Earthling!
Nothing racist about that, be proud of who you are...even if your English
Not racist - i'm of english/welsh descent:PDT_Xtremez_30:
Tashy_Man
24-08-2007, 10:25
I can't see it myself......why anyone would be proud to be "English"....then again I'm Welsh :PDT_Xtremez_06:
Nothing racist at all and i feel sorry for you, for having to be english
Crack on..........:PDT_Xtremez_09:
Its not rascist- just too close to the truth......and the English don't like being told that they are second or even third best behind the rest of the UK! I'm Welsh by the way.................................I only support 2 teams ..Wales.. and whoever is playing against England at the time !!!;)
Albert Park
24-08-2007, 10:38
Writers like Shakespeare, Milton or Shaw,
If the 'Shaw' you refer to is GBS, then he was Irish.
ps Why would you think it was racist?
If anything, it's probably a display of patriotism.
Wing boy
24-08-2007, 10:59
Nah its not racist its just a bit of national pride is all. However wasn't "Mons" fought by the B.E.F.?
http://www.1914-1918.net/bat1.htm
AllWoman
24-08-2007, 11:02
Nah its not racist its just a bit of national pride is all. However wasn't "Mons" fought by the B.E.F.?
Yep you are right it was the BRITISH Expeditionary Force!
Its not rascist- just too close to the truth......and the English don't like being told that they are second or even third best behind the rest of the UK! I'm Welsh by the way.................................I only support 2 teams ..Wales.. and whoever is playing against England at the time !!!;)
::P: lol...
If the 'Shaw' you refer to is GBS, then he was Irish.
ps Why would you think it was racist?
If anything, it's probably a display of patriotism.
My Northern British Friend said it was ''close to the edge'', I think it's fine display of patriotism myself too...
By the way Im English/Scot
Yossarian
24-08-2007, 12:11
Well, I suppose it's a nice little poem, all good intentions and all that.
I do think it has slightly hysterical undertones though.
When did "Brussels" make it illegal for you to describe yourself as English? When did anyone make it an offence to fly the St George flag?
England is still a country, it still has it's own flag. In fact I'd say we see it more these days than ever before.
The trouble we have as Englishmen I think is that we get far too paranoid when we read in the press that some little council has told someone to take a flag down because it's not sited correctly etc, and then we go and get in a twist about it.
Fly your flag with pride, call yourself English with Pride. No-one's stopping you, despite what the gutter press will have you believe.
roverboy
24-08-2007, 12:16
Its not rascist- just too close to the truth......and the English don't like being told that they are second or even third best behind the rest of the UK! I'm Welsh by the way.................................I only support 2 teams ..Wales.. and whoever is playing against England at the time !!!;)
Nevermind mate, we all have our cross to bare.
I have the tiniest bit of Welsh in me, but I go to great lengths to keep it quiet. Sh!t, it's slipped. Oooh, the embarrassment!! :PDT_Xtremez_42:
AllWoman
24-08-2007, 12:17
Well, I suppose it's a nice little poem, all good intentions and all that.
I do think it has slightly hysterical undertones though.
When did "Brussels" make it illegal for you to describe yourself as English? When did anyone make it an offence to fly the St George flag?
England is still a country, it still has it's own flag. In fact I'd say we see it more these days than ever before.
The trouble we have as Englishmen I think is that we get far too paranoid when we read in the press that some little council has told someone to take a flag down because it's not sited correctly etc, and then we go and get in a twist about it.
Fly your flag with pride, call yourself English with Pride. No-one's stopping you, despite what the gutter press will have you believe.
I think you will find in some areas of the country the police will come around and ask you to remove your flagas its is seen as offensive to certain minorities!
Yossarian
24-08-2007, 12:29
Ah, but that's the point I'm making. Yes that's probably happened on an odd occasion, but there was no law broken so I'd have kept it flying. There would have been nothing the Police could have done as long as you weren't inciting anything.
Trouble is, the Swakely and District enquirer will report it like it's some kind of social outrage sweeping the country (as they've nothing better to report on) and the Sun will pick it up and run with it from there. Before you know it you have the whole country "harumphing" and saying we're all going to hell in a hand cart. Purely on some isolated bit of beaurocracy that's happened in some local councils area and been blown out of all proportion.
Going back to the original poem, (and your original point) where does it say it's illegal to call yourself English or fly an English flag?
Its all bloody stupid.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/4305798.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/3732249.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4461795.stm
I'm proud to be English even though both my parents are Irish. I support any British team that plays as long as it isn't England (Although it seems to be an English thing) :PDT_Xtremez_15:
The peom isn't racist whatsoever, its just what the author thinks. Its perfectly acceptable to be patriotic although the PC brigade do rattle me bigtime. I just wish that a lot more English showed more passion and patriotism as the Irish, Scottish and the Welsh do.
Albert Park
24-08-2007, 13:17
English showed more passion and patriotism as the Irish, Scottish and the Welsh do.
That's the dilemma. If you're English it is, for whatever reason, frowned upon to display any signs of Englishness.
I point the finger of blame for this firmly at the pot-smokin', tree-huggers from the 1960s/70s who are now in positions of power. It is these people who oil the PC machinery that churns out restrictions for the majority, whilst kow-towing to a minority.
Little Tronk
24-08-2007, 13:35
To most sane people it would not be seen as racist, but I have no doubt that there are people out THERE, both English and not who would see it as such and bleet about it. It is those people who make it hard for us to be proud to be English.
There may not be many but they are a VERY vocal minority who have the ear of those in power!
A good test of that is how come we, as a nation do not celebrate St Georges day as the Scots, Welsh and the Irish do theirs!?
Ah, but that's the point I'm making. Yes that's probably happened on an odd occasion, but there was no law broken so I'd have kept it flying. There would have been nothing the Police could have done as long as you weren't inciting anything.
Ah, but they would say you're inciting racial hatred!
Yossarian
24-08-2007, 14:20
Ah, but they would say you're inciting racial hatred!
How exactly? If you're flying a flag, how is it inciting racial hatred? The few cases you see in the press have a lot more to the story than meets the eye.
I challenge you, show me one case where flying an English flag alone has got the owner convicted of inciting racial hatred.
We're a paranoid bunch at times and that's our fault, no-one else's. Richard Littlejohn has a lot to answer for in my opinion!
Little Tronk wrote: A good test of that is how come we, as a nation do not celebrate St Georges day as the Scots, Welsh and the Irish do theirs!?
Well whose fault is that? You can't blame the Government, the percieved and much imagined "Loony PC brigade" or any other phantom menace.
It's down to the English people whether they celebrate St George's day or not. Get out there and celebrate it, no-one is stopping you.
How exactly? If you're flying a flag, how is it inciting racial hatred? The few cases you see in the press have a lot more to the story than meets the eye.
I challenge you, show me one case where flying an English flag alone has got the owner convicted of inciting racial hatred.
I'll have to decline to that challenge. Because I can't for the life of me find the articles I remember reading. :PDT_Xtremez_42:
sculthorpe
24-08-2007, 17:30
That's the dilemma. If you're English it is, for whatever reason, frowned upon to display any signs of Englishness.
I point the finger of blame for this firmly at the pot-smokin', tree-huggers from the 1960s/70s who are now in positions of power. It is these people who oil the PC machinery that churns out restrictions for the majority, whilst kow-towing to a minority.
Right on about the pot smoking tree huggers! The sad thing is ,you don't have a monoply on them, they're here creating the same kinds of mischief!
Quote: "If you're English it is, for whatever reason, frowned upon to display any signs of Englishness".
I absolutely disagree. I'm English and proud of it AND I publicise it. I do agree entirely that the English flag should be flown on more occasions, but unfortunately, down here in Cornwall, we've got local nutters who'd burn your house down. The only flag they ever want to see flying here is the Cornish flag!
:S
Bluntend
25-08-2007, 06:14
Well, on the subject of patriotism and being proud of your country, you've got to hand it to the Americans. I've just got back from a game of baseball here in Alabama (Mobile Bay Bears vs Tenesse Smokies) and it was a pretty impressive event. Firstly, despite being from the RNZAF we were invited into the stadium (and got great seats) for free by virtue of the fact that we're military. At the end of the game, currently serving servicemen and women from Alabama were invited onto the field to be handed a medal from the State (not, I beleive an official service medal). The national anthem was played, and a group of dignatories made speaches. Then other servicemen and women in the crowd were invited to stand and were applauded by everyone else. The event was rounded off by one hell of an impressive fireworks display.
I've got to admit, I experienced a real mix of emotions. The first was surprise at the depth of feeling for their troops, then anger at these guys being treated like heroes in the wake of todays tragic events in Afghanistan. But then you think of the guys in that NY Times article and can't help but feel sorry for them. If I'm honest too, there was a hint on envy that this was how these guys got treated - as heroes. And then, as old boys from the navy, army and airforce got to their feet to be clapped by their neighbours from the State, I must admit, I felt pride in being in the military, albeit a foreign one.
Say what you like about the yanks, their love for their country and respect for their fellow serviceman is unsurpassed. Maybe, and this is bloody hard to admit, we could actually learn something from them when it comes to taking pride in our national identity.
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