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rodger-dodger
03-08-2007, 10:53
The last time the mighty England played Wales I had to buy the feckin doghnuts! :PDT_Xtremez_21:
I think Englands chances are far better this time round, However, before I start making bets, I would apreciate your views on the outcome.:PDT_Xtremez_09:
Scaley brat
03-08-2007, 11:06
Start getting ready for doughnuts dude !!
Wales forever !! :PDT_Xtremez_30:
rugby then work
03-08-2007, 11:18
Wales have gone for quite an experimental side, leaving Hook on the bench to give Sweeny a start at 10 is a gamble, though they have picked his clubmate from last season at 9 which will help his game. Popham is also on the bench with Charvis back in the team, again I doubt that will be the team selection come the WC.
England have gone for a big pack and a steady hand at 9 which should provide Wilkinson with good quality ball, just bothers me a bit that Farrell is getting another chance to slow down the ball at 12. Hipkiss deserves the chance at 13 and England have plenty of pace in the back 3.
I think that with Wales picking the side they have England will win on Saturday.
Scaley brat
03-08-2007, 11:58
Wales have gone for quite an experimental side, leaving Hook on the bench to give Sweeny a start at 10 is a gamble, though they have picked his clubmate from last season at 9 which will help his game. Popham is also on the bench with Charvis back in the team, again I doubt that will be the team selection come the WC.
England have gone for a big pack and a steady hand at 9 which should provide Wilkinson with good quality ball, just bothers me a bit that Farrell is getting another chance to slow down the ball at 12. Hipkiss deserves the chance at 13 and England have plenty of pace in the back 3.
I think that with Wales picking the side they have England will win on Saturday.
Be fair, the last thing we need is to risk losing Hook and Popham before the world cup. ANyway, Charvis is still a very capable player and what better way to test Sweeney, he may surprise us all tomorrow.
rugby then work
03-08-2007, 12:10
Be fair, the last thing we need is to risk losing Hook and Popham before the world cup. ANyway, Charvis is still a very capable player and what better way to test Sweeney, he may surprise us all tomorrow.
I agree that the last thing Wales need is more injuries but Peel, Hook, Popham etc are going to have to play in at least 1 if not 2 of the warm up games. With S Jones out of all 3, Wales don't need to be going into the game against Cananda with 9, 10 and 12 having played no rugby for a couple of months.
Scaley brat
03-08-2007, 12:32
I agree that the last thing Wales need is more injuries but Peel, Hook, Popham etc are going to have to play in at least 1 if not 2 of the warm up games. With S Jones out of all 3, Wales don't need to be going into the game against Cananda with 9, 10 and 12 having played no rugby for a couple of months.
They'll probably get a run out, but it's a good time to get teh young blood initiated, give a chance to get over the pre match nerves, who better than the 'old enemy' to warm up against. It will be a good match.
Tashy_Man
03-08-2007, 13:05
It will be a good match.
Really hope it is ....... Got my beer stacked up ready....must remember not to drink them all tonight :PDT_Xtremez_28:
Wales forever...........:PDT_Xtremez_09:
rodger-dodger
03-08-2007, 13:17
Thanks for your comments guys, I may possibly Hedge my betts and request that the winings be bacon sarnies from the cafe. :PDT_Xtremez_31:
In all fairness I like the look of the welsh team, it should be interesting to watch. :PDT_Xtremez_17:
As a patriotic Englishman, I would appreciate it if no one would tell anyone what i have just said. :PDT_Xtremez_42:
As much as it pains me to say - I think Wales will win. The current england side at the moment IMHO are an absolute joke. What is it going to take to get a decent head coach.
Martin Johnson where are you in our hour of need. Pick up your boots.
PaddingtonStare
03-08-2007, 21:10
Should be a good game, would have liked it if Henson had been fit so Farrell could have had a chance to flatten the perma tanned g*t. Though being serious for a moment,:PDT_Xtremez_17: i realise that Farrells defensive nous is important and the Greenwood for years proved that out right pace at inside centre isn't the be all and end all if your distribution is good, but surely Flood or Tait at inside centre with Hipkiss (who thoroughly deserves his selection) would have been a better combination.
Well only time (about 80mins on saturday) will tell.
Farrell is there on his name. There is no way he should be in the England squad.
tommo9999
03-08-2007, 22:08
Farrell is there on his name. There is no way he should be in the England squad.
I think a fully fit Farrell will surprise quite a few people, and it sounds as if he's nearly there.
Until he proves himself at club level, I'll keep the same opinion.
tommo9999
03-08-2007, 22:22
Is that the same club that played him at blindside?
tommo9999
03-08-2007, 22:28
I just think that he should be given a chance as he is a talent. It's taken him this long to get fully fit, and he won't now have the opportunity to get match fit with his club. They obviously rate him within the management as they've made him defensive captain for tomorrow. He's got to be a better bet to last the rigours of RWC than Catt.
NotAnIDOYet
03-08-2007, 22:34
I agree with FOMz (sh!te, twice in a night!), Farrell is overrated and yet to do anything in Union.
Play Flood at 10 and Wilko at 12 and let's see what that does for distribution. Woodward admitted that his favoured backline would be Hodgeson at 10, Wilko at 12. Gives the two footed option for kicking and leaves plenty of option in open play. Farrell has done nothing but slow down the ball when acting as first receiver in Union.
Flood?? FLOOD??????
FFS, Ryan Lamb should be there. One of the most tenacous 10's in years, the man is a fcuking star. As for Wilko at Center??? :PDT_Xtremez_35:
Wilko is past his sell by date...............time to move along. Anthony Allen or James Simpson-Daniel should be in there.
PaddingtonStare
03-08-2007, 23:13
Baws, Wilko is nowhere near his sell by date, he might not be the article that helped us to the World Cup, but compared to the pish poor showing at ten amongst the current crop protagonists, he is the safest bet. Ashton is basically trying to stop humiliation at this world cup and build for the next. If Allen shows his class over the next season and fires Glaws newly bulked up back line then give him the jersey and try and build a team around him, till then one season doesn't make him world class, and after watching leicester decimate the Glaws team, he wouldn't inspire confidence against the Bokka.
rugby then work
04-08-2007, 09:49
Baws, Wilko is nowhere near his sell by date, he might not be the article that helped us to the World Cup, but compared to the pish poor showing at ten amongst the current crop protagonists, he is the safest bet. Ashton is basically trying to stop humiliation at this world cup and build for the next. If Allen shows his class over the next season and fires Glaws newly bulked up back line then give him the jersey and try and build a team around him, till then one season doesn't make him world class, and after watching leicester decimate the Glaws team, he wouldn't inspire confidence against the Bokka.
Allen?? Did you mean Lamb? Whilst I do agree that Anthony Allen should also be in the England set up.
As for writing Lamb off because of one poor performance against Leicester that is absolute b0ll0cks, Ok he had a bad game that day but the week before he tore Saracens apart with both his kicking and running game. Only a month earlier he showed the Leicester back line up for their lack of pace when Gloucester beat Leicester in the league. You say that one season does not make him a world class player, well one game doesn't make him a poor player.
Just how many seasons had JW played when he was first picked for England?
The Welsh team is quite clearly the second XV and the result of this match will by no means reflect on the world cup performance.
My prediction:-
Half Time..... Nothing in it.
Full Time..... England to win by 18-23 points
Jim_P_Pulfrew
04-08-2007, 15:13
Play Flood at 10 and Wilko at 12 and let's see what that does for distribution. Woodward admitted that his favoured backline would be Hodgeson at 10, Wilko at 12. Gives the two footed option for kicking and leaves plenty of option in open play.
The far better option in my humble opinion would have been Shane Gerraghty at ten, Wilko at twelve. For my money he is a far better attacking fly half who has much the same mindset as JW. He has a proven pedigree at U21 level and is more than ready for the step up.
My only fear for this talented lad is he is going to get stuck behind Flood in the same way as fatty Barnes was behind Rob 'Meddler' Andrew. We do not need another glum spell like we had in the late 80s/Early 90s where the fly half did no more than kick for position or to release Underwood's pace. The centre pairing of Guscott and Carling worked well when they got the service which Fatty gave them.
Now all I have to do is make myself presentable for when I scaley bash somebody with Sky and an understanding Mrs!
Nice to see SKY sports once again biased coverage of rugby !
Why do they always concentrate the build up on England when its a British v British encounter :PDT_Xtremez_35:
Tashy_Man
04-08-2007, 16:40
Nice to see SKY sports once again biased coverage of rugby !
Why do they always concentrate the build up on England when its a British v British encounter :PDT_Xtremez_35:
It's OK, we'll get at least 30 seconds coverage before we wipe the floor with England.....well I really really hope so anyways !!
Crack on Wales.............:PDT_Xtremez_09:
Tashy_Man
04-08-2007, 17:48
Oh well we are doomed......
Froggy ref.....knobber
Have seen 2 instances of crossing by england not "seen" by the ref
Apart from that Wales are Sh1te..............oh well
Crack on...............:PDT_Xtremez_09:
Oh well we are doomed......
Froggy ref.....knobber
Have seen 2 instances of crossing by england not "seen" by the ref
Apart from that Wales are Sh1te..............oh well
Crack on...............:PDT_Xtremez_09:
Its definitely a miss matched game at the moment. Lets hope for a little more second half possession and at least some positive set piece.
Oh well we are doomed......
Froggy ref.....knobber
Have seen 2 instances of crossing by england not "seen" by the ref
Apart from that Wales are Sh1te..............oh well
Crack on...............:PDT_Xtremez_09:
Thats right, froggy ref who just so happens to be one of the top 3 in the world! Maybe you could give him a run for his money as an international ref. T.M.?
Your lads are being played off the park by a bigger, better side. (At the moment!)
rugby then work
04-08-2007, 18:52
That was an England, forwards dominated, victory of old. They totally overpowered the Welsh pack, It'll now be interesting to see how they get on against the French.
Perry looked a lot sharper for the loss of a stone in weight and Farrell actually found a hole in the Welsh defence. If Worsley could off load the score would have been even worse for the Welsh.
The 'Froggy' ref did the Welsh a favour in leaving Sidoli on after he tried to perform surgery on Shaws eyeball
That was an England, forwards dominated, victory of old. They totally overpowered the Welsh pack, It'll now be interesting to see how they get on against the French.
Perry looked a lot sharper for the loss of a stone in weight and Farrell actually found a hole in the Welsh defence. If Worsley could off load the score would have been even worse for the Welsh.
The 'Froggy' ref did the Welsh a favour in leaving Sidoli on after he tried to perform surgery on Shaws eyeball
Spot on RTW. I've never understood why we should bow to peer pressure and play open rugby, it doesn't suit our natural way to play the game. Whilst we won't win the world cup we can build into a respectable team from here who will give any team a tough nights work. Be very interesting next week.
PaddingtonStare
05-08-2007, 02:13
Sorry Rugby then work had to be up for saturday pre season then got pished, watching an average england side, take apart the wales 2nd team. Your right i got Glaws backs mixed up, to be honest easy mistake, as they have almost as many good quality young backs as the falcons.
Not sure when wilko started for england as i'm not that much of a pub "naus". But after todays performance foot work pseudo back row play, he's a nailed on start. As fatty Barnes mentioned no other fly half has the FULL range of skills he has, Butch James hits hard and has good basic skills, Carter is silky and sublime with ball in hand but neither combine the full range of skills, and both mentioned are a cut above the rest of englands fly half options.
My worries are the fact that when wales spread the ball wide and scored so easily, we couldn't drift fast enough. also although Farrell played well, and broke the line today showed that truely he is slower than i thought (hands up Guv i was wrong) and surely we must have a faster inside centre with the skills required.
Sorry Rugby then work had to be up for saturday pre season then got pished, watching an average england side, take apart the wales 2nd team. Your right i got Glaws backs mixed up, to be honest easy mistake, as they have almost as many good quality young backs as the falcons.
Not sure when wilko started for england as i'm not that much of a pub "naus". But after todays performance foot work pseudo back row play, he's a nailed on start. As fatty Barnes mentioned no other fly half has the FULL range of skills he has, Butch James hits hard and has good basic skills, Carter is silky and sublime with ball in hand but neither combine the full range of skills, and both mentioned are a cut above the rest of englands fly half options.
My worries are the fact that when wales spread the ball wide and scored so easily, we couldn't drift fast enough. also although Farrell played well, and broke the line today showed that truely he is slower than i thought (hands up Guv i was wrong) and surely we must have a faster inside centre with the skills required.
We have but the RFU don't pay half their wages!!! Picking Farrell is a face saving exercise, he was expected to have more impact than Billy Whizz but he's not got the apptitude or natural talent for union that Billy has.
I think the score board is going to look very different against the french, there's no way they'll let us play with the ball stuffed up our jerseys (although they are very fetching the new ones!)
All I can say is; S2, Tom Jones, Charlotte Church, Max Boyce, Dame Shirley Bassey, Scaley Brat, Ivor the Engine, Jones The Steam, Dai Station, Grumpy Sumpy. Your boys took a hell of a beating, (more like a right good fisting) :PDT_Xtremez_19:
rugby then work
05-08-2007, 14:28
I think the score board is going to look very different against the french, there's no way they'll let us play with the ball stuffed up our jerseys (although they are very fetching the new ones!)
If we play like the England teams of the recent past i.e. WC2003 the French won't have a say in whether we play that way or not, that's the whole point of it. Starve the more talented running team of possession and grind your way to more tries than they can score when they do get the ball.
Wgaf, I agree entirely, picking Farrell is all about face saving, his performances just do not justify his selection.
Restarts are important, and if we can't retain the ball from them (Farrell) its time to look for a new center. Until Ashton and the Gent of the North realise this, there is a fcuking great weak link.
Anthony Allen come back, all is forgiven.
Jim_P_Pulfrew
05-08-2007, 19:15
Starve the more talented running team of possession and grind your way to more tries than they can score when they do get the ball.
Wgaf, I agree entirely, picking Farrell is all about face saving, his performances just do not justify his selection.
The added advantage against somebody like the frogs is that stifling open play and using forward power is eventually they will lose their rag and start giving away penalties in JW's range for kicking. Granted they have become more disciplined of late under Laporte, but they still display a hothead attitude when the game plan fails. Add into the mix them hosting the tournament the blood will run high.
I too, am still at a loss why so much is being pinned on Farrell, I suspect a coach with the integrity of Brian Ashton (The man who promised free flowing rugby) is under orders from above to justify the investment.
rodger-dodger
07-08-2007, 10:17
In all fairness I like the look of the welsh team, it should be interesting to watch. :PDT_Xtremez_17:
:PDT_Xtremez_42:
I don't think i'll go into management. Couldn't believe what I was watching come on you ENGERLANDERS.:PDT_Xtremez_17:
MAINJAFAD
07-08-2007, 21:45
All I can say is; S2, Tom Jones, Charlotte Church, Max Boyce, Dame Shirley Bassey, Scaley Brat, Ivor the Engine, Jones The Steam, Dai Station, Grumpy Sumpy. Your boys took a hell of a beating, (more like a right good fisting) :PDT_Xtremez_19:
Did they ever and ILLKC and I missed it thanks to our location lacking Sky and Freeview, however got to hear it on 5 live, 62-5 GET IN THERE!!!!!! Roll on death to the French, and this time I'll be there to see it from the west stand (along with ILLKC).
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