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redordead
18-02-2006, 20:55
right i'm starting to get a tiny bit concerned now about this new admin system which is being forced upon us, firstly you have to do all your own admin including leave passes, travel claims etc etc....and at the same time there changing the way we get paid from a daily rate to a monthly rate (about fricking time really, i hate febs paypacket! ), the thing that worries me is the fact that there doing it all at once, the mightly RAF think tank that is pma have trouble paying the majority of folks at the best of times with at minimum of 1 over issue and 3 deductions per task, is anyone else worried or just me and my bank manager!
Bombhead
18-02-2006, 22:56
::P:
I think that the new admin system when all the teething problems are sorted like the mighty LITS spelt with a silent Sh! It will make life a lot easier as it takes a lot of the current problems away from the people who cause them. Also you can put your own Termination (PVR) in electronically won't that be fun. You walk into work on Monday and they tell you you have OOA for four months and ten seconds later you have sent in Arnie and you are terminated. With numbers getting smaller and smaller we will have no choice, but to increase the work load on SNCO's in the section, but when you take your third and get that massive £1.78 a day pay rise you soon forget all that extra work.
Life in a blue suit fantastic roll on April.
.the mightly RAF think tank that is pma have trouble paying the majority of folks at the best of times .!
Dont you mean AFPAA - PMA don't pay anyone they only mess with your career!!
FormerFlake
19-02-2006, 09:29
There are of course a large number of people without easy/regular access to a computer to do their admin on. The FS is going to get pretty ****ed off when he gets 10 JRs kicking him out of his office ever day so they can do a leave pass or 1771.
As always the theory is very good, application/reality not so good.
Do not forget this is being done to save money, not to make life easier.
oh4fuxsake
19-02-2006, 19:59
Isn't that like saying the Middle East is about democracy...? 'Oil' be blowed (hopefully).
Twonston Pickle
20-02-2006, 12:12
Ah, the rumour mill at maximum grind! A few Q's and A's might put us on track.
Q. Why is this being done all at the same time? Can they roll our leave then allowances then pay etc?
A. No, the system will all operated from a JPA server(s) and the old SAMA will cease to be on the date of implementation.
Q. This is foisting all the work on underpaid, over worked techies isn't it?
A. No. You currently have to fill in a leave pass (Note that it is already called an Authorised Absence request, F295D), F1771 and various other forms, including NOK everytime you move. All JPA will do is get you to do it electronically and it will automatically do your allowances, stop food charges etc, and cut out the PSF blunty that you always complain about.
Q. So I need a computer then?
A. No, you will be able to speak directly to the JPA Centre (JPAC, not based in India either) to resolve issues when you don't have IT. IT Infrastructure will be improved with time but you are not entitled to a terminal each.
Q. So JPA is the answer to all the World's problems?
A. No, there will be teething problems, particularly as we are the first Service to receive JPA. However, you should see significant improvements and benefits to your personal administration.
Hope this has cleared up a few Q's that some of you may have had.
Edited to add: The money being saved is the wages of the bluntys that are soon to be unemployed.
Fablon biff chit
20-02-2006, 12:18
Is there a training course or package to go on for those who are away and return to find this JPA everywhere?
Bluntend
20-02-2006, 12:43
I've heard a rumour that elements of JPA are Flash Media Player based and that there is a problem with compatibility with Service IT. Anybody got any idea how true this is?
Almost_done
20-02-2006, 14:14
Is there a training course or package to go on for those who are away and return to find this JPA everywhere?
Once you get back from the Hot and Dusty places, you will be issued with the JPA Logon info and then start your 'e-Training package'. As far as I have been told there is not going to be devolved training for those in the Hot and Dusty places.
Only once you complete and pass the assessment will you get access to the JPA system, so computer biff's beware. :PDT_Xtremez_42:
Update, okay I have now carried out the new e-learning package and all I have to say is what a crock, it is enabled for all workplace PC's and if you want to use it at home then you will need the Flash plug in.
With the usual e-learning senario it is only when we use the system will we actually learn it, the system is slow and very basic, yup aimed at the lowest common denominator. If you have done the LITS training packages you will not be looking forward to this.
Twonston Pickle
20-02-2006, 17:07
I have now just completed my training package and I was also bored. It's a bit of point and click, watch the demo and Bob's your Auntie Annie. Definately not aimed at anyone in the RAF; it is guaranteed to patronise and P!ss you off. However, I still think that we will see quite an improvement over the current Handbrake House arrangement.
TheHogwartsBEngO
20-02-2006, 17:22
Could somebody post a link to the training please. So far I've failed to find it here.
Bluntend
20-02-2006, 17:55
I haven't really looked to deeply into this yet but you may find some useful info at the following link:
http://www.ipublish.dii.r.mil.uk/nlapps/docs/default.asp?fid=778
I must admit I tried to open the training links and just got a purple screen - this is more likely to be down to user error than a problem with the system.
Failing that try the PMA website.
Bluntend
20-02-2006, 18:15
There is a post on PPRUNE that suggests that under JPA it will not be possible to carry over leave from one year to the next - can anybody confirm or deny this?
Bombhead
20-02-2006, 20:33
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A went to the JPA brief and one of the questions was does it have the definitive list for people who are due a DWR. The answer was a bit scary in the fact that JPA has no facility for DWR and the list would be transferred to an Excel program until it could be resolved. I hope I move down the list and not up it. A scary thought.
There is a post on PPRUNE that suggests that under JPA it will not be possible to carry over leave from one year to the next - can anybody confirm or deny this?
From the blurb we've had 15 days automatically gets transfered as now.
Twonston Pickle
21-02-2006, 09:11
This link should take you to it on the INTERNET:
https://www.dlp.mod.uk
and this link should take you to it via the INTRANET:
http://www.dlp.dii.r.mil.uk
You do need MacroMedia Flash player 6.0 and my normal machine at work only has 5.0; nothing like joined up IT! If you don't have 6.0, all you will get is a blank purple screen. You need to speak to your IT Section to resolve the issue. You will have to have received a password and login ID to access the training; PSF can help but they have yet to issue passwords to Airmen A-M.
Hope this helps.
Could somebody post a link to the training please. So far I've failed to find it here.
You have to apply for a log in name and password from PSF who will e-mail it all to you with a link to the e-learning (teach you to suck eggs) site.
Beerofund
21-02-2006, 10:19
However, I still think that we will see quite an improvement over the current Handbrake House arrangement.
Twonston Pickle, can we quote you on that at a later date!
However point taken, could actually it get any worse?
TheHogwartsBEngO
21-02-2006, 10:25
You have to apply for a log in name and password from PSF who will e-mail it all to you with a link to the e-learning (teach you to suck eggs) site.
request submitted. Any takers on a sweep-stake for the time taken to reply?
One to two hours, I'd say. Saying that mine took 5 days.
redordead
21-02-2006, 10:35
bet you get 1 of these replies if you phone up to chase it!
" no we didnt receive a request "
" he / she's not in office this week"
" we've got a training afternoon today so try next week "
" computers are down sorry "
Twonston Pickle
21-02-2006, 13:02
PSF will automatically issue the passwords - you do not need to apply.
The training is a bit simple but will give you an idea of what is coming your way. I was sceptical before but I did like what I saw.
PSF will automatically issue the passwords - you do not need to apply.
The training is a bit simple but will give you an idea of what is coming your way. I was sceptical before but I did like what I saw.
Nope you need to send an e-mail to your pd point with your details in i.e. forename, surname, service number and ask for one to be sent to you. Or this could just be the case at Marham.
Twonston Pickle
21-02-2006, 17:44
I received mine (with some suprise) without asking but it could differ at other units. Plumber, thanks for the reminder that stations don't always work the same way in this joined up RAF!!! What I should have said is "Check the local situation at your unit".
So come on BengO. How long did it take? Or have you not got it yet?
TheHogwartsBEngO
22-02-2006, 11:06
Still haven't got the e-mail that says my request has been read yet! :PDT_Xtremez_25:
However - all the log-ins and passwords have arrived in the office today without prompting so I will play with the training package sometime today and post my comments later.
all I want to know is how to apply for my terminal leave...:PDT_Xtremez_27:
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