Bio Hazards: Birdstrike Flu

[rest have risen above me]

BIRDSTRIKE FLU
Just another little problem to add to the huge list that besets us techies.

Solutions anybody? Humorous preferably. No serious one's like Sentry's Clean up kits.

[TheHogwartsBEngO]

AFs/TRs in CAT 3 Romeo (just in case)?

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[puter killer]

A brush with a really really really long handle

[Plumber]

AFs/TRs in CAT 3 Romeo (just in case)?

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BengO enough of your weird sexual fantasies already.:PDT_Xtremez_06:

[Bluntend]

BIRDSTRIKE FLU
Just another little problem to add to the huge list that besets us techies.

Solutions anybody? Humorous preferably. No serious one's like Sentry's Clean up kits.

You know you can get Pay For Work of an Objectionable Nature when working on birdstrike engines. Sorry, I know its not very humorous.

[TheHogwartsBEngO]

You know you can get Pay For Work of an Objectionable Nature when working on birdstrike engines. Sorry, I know its not very humorous.

not humerous either but still a fcuking joke - the rules for payment for work of objectionable nature have changed. Not sure of the details, but it now involves having to work continuously on the task for a full working day or something.

Riggers on the truckie fleet should have the details as it affected their claims for "bog-money" when emptying the toilets.

[Bluntend]

This is going back a bit but it used to be that a Flt Cdr or EngO could sign off a claim at their discretion. It wouldn't bloody surprise me if the rules have been changed. Evidently paying a guy an extra £1.40 a day (or thereabouts) for a couple of days work scraping the innerds of a herring gull out of the inside of a combustion chamber is considered wasteful - typical. No doubt an adminer who has no idea how grim a birdstrike engine looks after a fortnight festering in an engine bag, made the decision to remove the entitlement.

Penny pinching b@stards.

[puter killer]

you should all put some money in a kittey (not small cat that would be wrong, so very very wrong) and then give it to the lads that get di*ked to do it, maybe they could bring back a beak as proof or whatever.

Is there anything recognisable of the bird left after its been minced by the worlds most expensive chop-o-matic machine?

It can't happen often. does it?

£1 a month should do it.

Also i think admin blunties should be made to clean engines whilst they are running at max tilt, granted that won't clean them but it'll make us all feel better

[Weebl]

not humerous either but still a fcuking joke - the rules for payment for work of objectionable nature have changed. Not sure of the details, but it now involves having to work continuously on the task for a full working day or something.

Riggers on the truckie fleet should have the details as it affected their claims for "bog-money" when emptying the toilets.

You are correctish :)

You had to be continously carrying out work of an objectionable nature for 4 hours.

However from 01 Jan this year a new lower rate has been approved for carrying out bog emptying, it's just over a quid a day now IIRC.

Gee thanks :/

[Bluntend]

Puter Killer, a lot of the, er, mess depends on the size of the bird and how much of it went through the core. Some bits may be recognisable - I could get quite graffic about this but it is lunch time and I have a chicken roll to eat. Perhaps that these days since we've lost a lot of our engine bays the likelyhood of the average sooty having to strip an engine thats been bagged up for a while post birdstrike whilst easier to fix engines get concentrated on, is pretty low. Nevertheless, if you imagine a chicken thats been dropped into a blender then the whole lots been wrapped up in a bin liner for a couple of weeks - that should give you a pretty good idea of what a bird strike engine can look (and smell) like.

The PFWON only applied for the time actually spent cleaning and stripping the engine so wouldn't really amount to a great deal, a couple of quid perhaps. It was enough though for the unfortunate sooty to buy him or herself a pint at the end of the day and was a bit of a gesture. Not a lot mind, but better than nothing.

To remove this entitlement demonstrates that those who made the decision know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

As for your point about letting Admin Blunties play near intakes I fear the results would be depressingly predictable. All it would acheive would be to slow the system down and create a lot of mess. Quite typical really...

[rest have risen above me]

You know you can get Pay For Work of an Objectionable Nature when working on birdstrike engines. Sorry, I know its not very humorous.

It's a little bit funny... I'm not a sooty...lol
Although I got my come uppance with what must have been a mutant ostrich able to fly at 2000 feet going through the GMR/TFR on a GR4.
Perhaps we should let the OAP's die and steal the few flu jabs that are available.:PDT_Xtremez_42:

[puter killer]

Thanks for the info, I don't envey you that job one little bit. I think you have a strong case for the extra money. Hope some day that will be recognised.

[Bluntend]

My advice to anybody who works (or thinks they work) in a an unpleasant or objectionable area should build up a case. On my section, and I must stress this is going back a bit, previous bosses had tried to get the adminers to aprove the case for PFWON but failed. We decided to present photos, an indepth description of what happens to the bird between entering/exiting the engine and a report from the Staion's Health and Safety Officer on the risks/hazzards of working with animal carcases. Our case being that just because the bird has been liquidised, squeezed out through joins in the engine, pipes etc, and then spread thinly over a large proportion of the core, this does not stop it from being a carcase and therefore the risks of contracting the same ilnesses applied. If you can get your case, complete with piccies, to the Dep Chief Clk just after lunch - all the better. It worked for us.

The bottom line is, if you feel your health is being (or could be) affected by the work you do whether thats emptying bogs or cleaning up bird strikes (not just engines), get the H&S guys on the case.

[Plumber]

My advice to anybody who works (or thinks they work) in a an unpleasant or objectionable area should build up a case. .


Does Marham count?

[rest have risen above me]

Does Marham count?

Anyone from Marham can count to twelve, and thats just on their fingers.:PDT_Xtremez_17:

[Plumber]

Whoa slow down there boyo, its only the local swampies that can do that, not those of us who have been tasked with expanding the local gene pool. Besides it takes a very special armourer to get past more than 2.:PDT_Xtremez_33:

[Bluntend]

How does it go again? One, two, three, more, more and one, more and two, more and three, lots...

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[TheHogwartsBEngO]

meanwhile, back on the thread....


Aircraft types most at risk are surely larger transport ac that are routing over affected areas or ac deployed to affected areas. I suggest the former is more likely at present.

From my (limited) experience, birds tend to strike large aircraft on the airframe and not necessarily disappear down the intake - we have covered the aftermath of cleaning up the engine, so what about the airframe...

would you actually be able to catch bird flu from the entrails left on the airframe after a birdstrike? The VC10, for instance, when hit by birds, tends to suffer glancing blows although there are instances of more serious damage (I remember listening to a GE recount his tail of scooping a canada goose out of the inside of the TPI - he said it smelt just like the fried chicken I was eating at the time :PDT_Xtremez_02:)

Those that have contracted the avian virus have done so after prolonged contact with an infected bird. Surely if rigorous hygene principles are followed (not normal liney ones) and you don't go around licking the entrails - or indeed getting too close at all - surely that should be sufficient?

[redordead]

i dont know the procedures on other stations in the not so big air force but at our crumbling shell of wwII history, we have to inform in the local bird botherer from ATC whenever we find the remains of feathers and red stuff stuck too/ spead across the externals of our shiney little planes. Infact the last time we found one of poor buggers spread across the tailplane we had to preserve some of the remains to see if bill oddie from the tower could I.D. it....got to admit tho never even considered the bird flu thing til i saw this thread, think bill oddie can collect his own fricking remains (P.S. i've heard this bird flu is nearly as bad as man flu... god help us all!!!!!!)

[Goaty]

How does it go again? One, two, three, more, more and one, more and two, more and three, lots...

One, two, three, some, several, many, lots, loads.......

[fat lazy techie]

It has been known for almost whole feathered kamikazis to return in the leading edges of alberts wings, as well as the engines, as some poor souls have found out. One occurance that did give me a giggle was watching some of our lower intelect bretheren of the brown service attempting to take piccys on their camera-phones at night from the ground. All you could see was a few feathers and a foot.

[Bluntend]

We had a hawk (not the feathered type) divert in once following a bird strike. A seagull of some sort had entered the nose of the aircraft through the nose light and tried its best to get out through the forward undercarriage bay. Messy, very messy...

[Stax]

How does it go again? One, two, three, more, more and one, more and two, more and three, lots...

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1, 2, 3, some, many, lots, more!

[shoutingwind]

bird flu? what about man flu? much worse!

i'm really glad we've got bigger shifts on fast albert now- its not only me who can fit down the intake! yipee!

and why doesn't a bird struck engine ever smell like roasting chicken? very unfair

[The Ballerina]

Sorry to go back to work of unpleasant nature but having to work inside fuel tanks is not an ideal working environment especially when you are of the larger frame. When I handed my claim sheet in at the end of the month I was told that I wasn’t allowed fuel money because I wasn’t actually swimming in the stuff. They did let me claim confined spaces which is about 2 quid less I think. Although the tank was vented it hardly smells like a meadow on a summer’s day, admins response you techies get paid enough as it is without claiming extra.