Do we pay?

[Mrs_Monobrow]

Mono has the offer of an exchange but one thing we arent sure of is if the removals are paid for, like with a posting.

Do we have to pay for the removals ourselves?

[roverboy]

No, because it's your choice. I wasn't entitled when I exchanged from leuchars to Cons

[BernardBresslaw]

From having exchanged a good few years ago now, I can tell you that I was not allowed to claim disturbance allowance or anything. However with JPA the claim system has changed somewhat it my now be possible to claim.

Sorry for this fairly vague response, if in the future you need a chocolate T-pot give me a shout!!!:PDT_Xtremez_30:

[The Sleepy Priest]

Mrs M

I have just checked the JSP with all the new post JPA regs, and I cannot see why you wouldn't be entitled. An exchange posting is not listed as a non-qualifying move. It states that as long as you are ordered in writing, ie a posting notice, you qualify. May be best to get Mr M to speak with either PSF or JPAC.

[stacker1195]

I got removals paid for and disturbance allowance for my exchange 2 years ago, due to the fact that I was as my previous unit for more than 3 years.

[Weebl]

From memory, it depends on how long you have been in current post.

I have exchanged in the past and had to pay for all removals costs myself as well as not recieving disturbance allowance. I had only been in post for about a year though.

[Mrs_Monobrow]

From having exchanged a good few years ago now, I can tell you that I was not allowed to claim disturbance allowance or anything. However with JPA the claim system has changed somewhat it my now be possible to claim.

Sorry for this fairly vague response, if in the future you need a chocolate T-pot give me a shout!!!:PDT_Xtremez_30:

The disturbance allowance doesnt bother me really it would just be the removals. The DA is just a bonus in my eyes.

Mono tried PSF or PMA or whatever and they have the afternoon off so he asked me to put this up for now.

Mono has been at marham for 7 years. Promoted a month ago to another post but still at marham.

[roverboy]

Well my JPA assignment notice specifically stated "not entitled to move at public expense". I was at Leuchars 13 months

[Man in Black]

When I exchanged many moons ago before JPA was even thought of, it depended on how long you had spent at your Unit. If had completed more than 2 and a half years, it was classed an environmental posting and you qualified for removals and disturbance allowance which I claimed. If you had completed less than 2 and a half years you claimed nothing. This was still the case whilst I was Instructing at SecTS (I left April 2006), so I believe this is still the case. I would however, check the current JPA regualtions before you spend all that lovely money....

[The Sleepy Priest]

Mrs M

I have just had a chat with our allowances guru about your possible posting and have been told that you would qualify for DA and removals. There is nothing in the new rules to say that exchange postings do not get it, and as you have been at Marham for 7 years the old 2 1/2 years rule would not come into it anyway. I would get Mr M to ask for that in writing from JPAC if he could so he's covered once he puts the claim in but I'm pretty sure you'll get it.
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[Mrs_Monobrow]

Mrs M

I have just had a chat with our allowances guru about your possible posting and have been told that you would qualify for DA and removals. There is nothing in the new rules to say that exchange postings do not get it, and as you have been at Marham for 7 years the old 2 1/2 years rule would not come into it anyway. I would get Mr M to ask for that in writing from JPAC if he could so he's covered once he puts the claim in but I'm pretty sure you'll get it.
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Thanks very much TSP.

Thank you to everyone. Im not going to lie, im excited at the thought of possibly getting out of here after 7 bloody years!

[mad_collie]

Anywhere nice mrs_m, or is it still a secret?

[Mrs_Monobrow]

Anywhere nice mrs_m, or is it still a secret?

I dont know if i can say yet. It was an offer of exchange from another goater but he still has to talk to his missus and there are things to still consider for us also but this was the BIG issue.

[SirSaltyHelmet]

I dont know if i can say yet. It was an offer of exchange from another goater but he still has to talk to his missus and there are things to still consider for us also but this was the BIG issue.

Nope, a Big Issue is a little magazine, sold by people sitting on bags, whilst holding dogs outside Waitrose

[roverboy]

Nope, a Big Issue is a little magazine, sold by people sitting on bags, whilst holding dogs outside Waitrose

No, this is a Big Shoe !!

[Humble Scribe]

Nope, a Big Issue is a little magazine, sold by people sitting on bags, whilst holding dogs outside Waitrose

How can you afford to shop in Waitrose?!! Must be spending that DA you haven't go yet! Just to confirm Mrs M, you should be able to claim DA & removals.

[metimmee]

Mrs M

I have just had a chat with our allowances guru about your possible posting and have been told that you would qualify for DA and removals. There is nothing in the new rules to say that exchange postings do not get it, and as you have been at Marham for 7 years the old 2 1/2 years rule would not come into it anyway. I would get Mr M to ask for that in writing from JPAC if he could so he's covered once he puts the claim in but I'm pretty sure you'll get it.
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But surely qualification time is time in post, not time on unit?

[True Blue Jack]

Just 'cos no other shiney has posted on this thread yet: on the face of it you should be entitled to removals and disturbance allowance if you exchange. IIRC mono is promoted soon - is this part of the same deal? It may have an effect.

[KingGuin]

But surely qualification time is time in post, not time on unit?

It matters not about time in post, it is time in location which counts. I only posted to keep TBJ company!!!

[paddy397]

Ok, I know this may be slightly off topic but here goes,
next month We are moving married quaters as the garden we have at the moment is a danger to our 2 young kids. last week Our next door neighbours 9yo daughter tripped and fell down the slope in the garden and broke her cheek bone. We have complained to the DHE both through the help desk and in writing. The move has been put down as a discertionary transfer if that help clarify thing.

[True Blue Jack]

Ok, I know this may be slightly off topic but here goes,
next month We are moving married quaters as the garden we have at the moment is a danger to our 2 young kids. last week Our next door neighbours 9yo daughter tripped and fell down the slope in the garden and broke her cheek bone. We have complained to the DHE both through the help desk and in writing. The move has been put down as a discertionary transfer if that help clarify thing.

If the move is for medical/health & safety reasons then you are covered for moving at public expense. Get DE to write you a quick letter stating the reason for the move, and you're sorted.

[paddy397]

cheers for that will give it a try :PDT_Xtremez_30:

[Humble Scribe]

Just 'cos no other shiney has posted on this thread yet: on the face of it you should be entitled to removals and disturbance allowance if you exchange. IIRC mono is promoted soon - is this part of the same deal? It may have an effect.

Please see post #16! I may not know a lot, but I am a Shiney!!

[True Blue Jack]

Please see post #16! I may not know a lot, but I am a Shiney!!

Apologies, HS, I was so dumbstruck with the fact of non-shineys giving good admin advice I overlooked your post.

[monobrow]

Just 'cos no other shiney has posted on this thread yet: on the face of it you should be entitled to removals and disturbance allowance if you exchange. IIRC mono is promoted soon - is this part of the same deal? It may have an effect.
See now this is the big question!

I took me promotion and I was posted internally. Took it, and now only a month in (they gave me f*ck all time to sort a swap before I was due there)

So if the qualifications required is 2 years in post I'm f*cked, if it's 2 years on camp, I'm laughing (as having done 7yrs!!)

[Mug?]

Apologies, HS, I was so dumbstruck with the fact of non-shineys giving good admin advice I overlooked your post.

We are all admin experts now !?! :PDT_Xtremez_31:

Bit of detective work...
If the cost of removals is that much of an issue (yet DA is not?) I reckon this must be a big move, I would say defo past the witham and way past the humber bridge and even at a guess over the border?

[monobrow]

If the cost of removals is that much of an issue (yet DA is not?)Well to be honest, wherever I was looking at going, the only thing I'd really like looking after is the fact my stuff ended up in the right place. It is to help you in the times of moving, but as long as the stuff is moved, thats the important (and quite expensive) thing.

[The Sleepy Priest]

Apologies, HS, I was so dumbstruck with the fact of non-shineys giving good admin advice I overlooked your post.

TBJ, I have the dubious honour of being a shiney as well!

[True Blue Jack]

See now this is the big question!

I took me promotion and I was posted internally. Took it, and now only a month in (they gave me f*ck all time to sort a swap before I was due there)

So if the qualifications required is 2 years in post I'm f*cked, if it's 2 years on camp, I'm laughing (as having done 7yrs!!)

I am fairly sure that you are covered by time in location, as others have said (but I'll do some digging tomorrow). It would have made things simpler if you had been able to tie in the exchange with your posting-on-promotion.

[monobrow]

Certainly would have been!! However, got left hanging on for 4 months then BOOM!! Posted! AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!

Cheers for the help one and all!

[stacker1195]

Monobrow,
When I got my exchange I had been in my post as Cpl for just over a year. However, I had been at Stafford for nearly 4 years. Like you, I panicked a bit ref Removals etc but a quick chat with allowances (pre JPA) soon put my mind at ease. It is the time in location rather then time in post. Hope this helps :PDT_Xtremez_30:

[Man in Black]

Just 'cos no other shiney has posted on this thread yet: on the face of it you should be entitled to removals and disturbance allowance if you exchange. IIRC mono is promoted soon - is this part of the same deal? It may have an effect

Did you not see my post (No 9) then TBJ?. Last time I checked I was a Shiney and you knows me!

[monobrow]

Just phoned handbrake house and they told me in no uncertain terms, you want to move, you pay for it!

Bugger :PDT_Xtremez_08:

[PLC1966]

Monobrow,
When I got my exchange I had been in my post as Cpl for just over a year. However, I had been at Stafford for nearly 4 years. Like you, I panicked a bit ref Removals etc but a quick chat with allowances (pre JPA) soon put my mind at ease. It is the time in location rather then time in post. Hope this helps :PDT_Xtremez_30:

I think Stacker1195 is right...

I exchanged last April having been at Odius 3 years but in rank only 2 and I was able to claim DA and removals. My posting paperwork said all expences to be met by individual (ie ME) however PMA told me that was a standard statement on paperwork for Exchange Postings.

Good Luck Fella

[Mrs_Monobrow]

Monobrow got told we have to pay. He has just been looking up an AP reference and that says we are not entitled to anything for an exchange. This is very confusing! Some have got help others havent.

[monobrow]

I'm no shiney but it looks confusing, if we go for a "Mid-assignent move" by choice, we get nothing, but if I have a written order to move (which more than likely PMA would give me) then I'm entitled.

Confuddled :PDT_Xtremez_09:

[Man in Black]

It definately isn't a mid-tour move. That generally covers a quarter move without moving camp, such as putting in a request for a different quarter patch at the same Unit. Your move should be covered as you have completed more than 2 and a half years and your exchange posting will be considered an environmental posting. I'm unsure of the JSP you need to look in as I have been out of PSF/HR Admin since JPA came into effect. I tried looking at work today but couldn't gain access to anything on our system.

Before JPA I had completed 4 years when I exchanged and I received full removals and disturbance allowance.

Whoever is advising you needs to refer to the JSP correctly and show you. I know shineys aren't supposed to be helpful now JPA is in, but any clerk who is worth their salt would help. I can only hope you aren't being advised by somebody I taught!

[True Blue Jack]

Mono,

I had a good look at the regs today and you is bu99ered. Although JSP752 appears to leave the door open for you, it is firmly shut by AP3392 Vol 2 and QRs which clearly state that you have to have spent 2.5 years in post for the move to be at public expense.

It may not be the end of the matter. You may be able to negotiate with your drafter to annotate your assignment order with an entitlement to move at public expense. If you point out to him (gently!) that you have been at the same location for 7 years it could be possible for him to use some discretion.

[PSFbeatch]

ok... if you are oredered in writing... ie get an assignment order you are entitled to claim DA, exchange r not

however.... if you exchange iaw the qr which is something like 2492 or something (its on the form) you are not allowed to have your personal effects converyed at public expense if you accept an exchange posting with nother airman voluntarily.

So in short DA YES removal no

[True Blue Jack]

ok... if you are oredered in writing... ie get an assignment order you are entitled to claim DA, exchange r not

Not true. However, Mono's particular issue has been resolved away from this forum.

[tommo9999]

If mono is sorted I'll close the thread. What the thread has done is highlight how different units are handling cases. Some standardisation is in order methinks.