Disturbance Allowance

[chiprafp]

Pre JPA someone could not claim Disturbance allowance for their first move as it was seen as setting up home, has this now changed? If so does that mean the people that moved pre JPA still get nithing or can you backdate :) Dont Ask Dont Get :)

Cheers

[Cooheed]

Do believe you get nothing for first and last move pre and post JPA. More here in a jumbled sort of way..

http://www.e-goat.co.uk/forums/search.php?searchid=397349

[True Blue Jack]

I would have to check the JSP to be 100% certain, but I have not heard that the 'first setting up of home' rule has changed.

[chiprafp]

Thanks TBJ

[Kernow]

Do believe you get nothing for first and last move pre and post JPA. More here in a jumbled sort of way..

http://www.e-goat.co.uk/forums/search.php?searchid=397349

IIRC, you can claim DA for your first move when it is due to a change in your entitlement to accommodation e.g. get married/civil partnership. Not sure on the last move though.

[Cooheed]

I was told to ram it for my first move Kernow. Maybe you have friends in high places..

[SirSaltyHelmet]

So let me understand this, I can claim DA for moving from the mess to a FQ on marriage?

[Kernow]

I was told to ram it for my first move Kernow. Maybe you have friends in high places..

Certainly according to the JSP 752 (post JPA) you can claim DA for your first move, so long as it is due to a change in your accommodation entitlement. So basically if you are single - when you get married (or enter into a civil partnership) your entitlement now changes as you are entitled to SFA. I think that you are also entitled to removals - IIRC.

Recommend you get yourself online at work and read the JSP and then go back to your admin bods.

[True Blue Jack]

IIRC, you can claim DA for your first move when it is due to a change in your entitlement to accommodation e.g. get married/civil partnership. Not sure on the last move though.

Pre-JPA you absolutely could not claim JPA for moving from the block/mess on marriage. That may have changed - many things did when JSP752 superseded the Vol 3 - but I have a feeling the guys on my Sqn would have been very keen to point it out. It's worth checking out, but let's not give people false hope.

[SirSaltyHelmet]

Recommend you get yourself online at work and read the JSP and then go back to your admin bods.


Humble Scribe...... Where is my fave HR rep when I need him?

[Wonky Tonka]

So how would this work:

Move out of 3rd quarter (all moves paid for previously)

Buy own place & move in.

Sell up and return to quarters.


Would you still get the DA for moving back in, seeing as it's not your first move?

Or does your clock reset as soon as you leave the quarter for civvy housing?

[True Blue Jack]

So how would this work:

Move out of 3rd quarter (all moves paid for previously)

Buy own place & move in.

Sell up and return to quarters.


Would you still get the DA for moving back in, seeing as it's not your first move?

Or does your clock reset as soon as you leave the quarter for civvy housing?

First of all, it would have to be a qualifying move, which usually (but not necessarily) means you have been posted to a new unit more than 50 miles from your house. If it is a qualifying move then you will get the lower rate of disturbance allowance (£969 last time I looked) plus £130 for each child who is moving to a new school as a result of the move.

[Wonky Tonka]

First of all, it would have to be a qualifying move, which usually (but not necessarily) means you have been posted to a new unit more than 50 miles from your house. If it is a qualifying move then you will get the lower rate of disturbance allowance (£969 last time I looked) plus £130 for each child who is moving to a new school as a result of the move.

OK, so buying a house in the local area, not getting posted but having to sell the house wouldn't qualify?

Not looking for a fight, honest. Just concerned.

[Kernow]

Pre-JPA you absolutely could not claim JPA for moving from the block/mess on marriage. That may have changed - many things did when JSP752 superseded the Vol 3 - but I have a feeling the guys on my Sqn would have been very keen to point it out. It's worth checking out, but let's not give people false hope.

Right, having done a quick search I found the JSP online (Barmy Army site). Here is the section that refers:

c. Undertake a mid-assignment move for Service reasons, as a result of a change of Service accommodation entitlement, or for compassionate, welfare or medical reasons when authorised by JPAC Pay and Allowances Casework Cell (PACC).

http://www.army.mod.uk/linkedfiles/servingsoldier/condofserv/mm/allowances/ss_cos_mm_all_army/jsp752ver6.doc (This takes a while to load.

I personally having read that for the first time a little while ago had thought no, however when getting married it does change your Service accommodation entitlement. Best thing to do is go back to your admin bods armed with this and take it from there.

[True Blue Jack]

Right, having done a quick search I found the JSP online (Barmy Army site). Here is the section that refers:

c. Undertake a mid-assignment move for Service reasons, as a result of a change of Service accommodation entitlement, or for compassionate, welfare or medical reasons when authorised by JPAC Pay and Allowances Casework Cell (PACC).



I personally having read that for the first time a little while ago had thought no, however when getting married it does change your Service accommodation entitlement. Best thing to do is go back to your admin bods armed with this and take it from there.

Previously that meant moving from a 2-bed to a 3-bed when your second nipper was born. There should be a paragraph in there which specifically covers "First Setting Up of Home". I haven't got round to loading MS Office on my new (well, about a year old) PC yet or I'd have a look.

[Kernow]

Previously that meant moving from a 2-bed to a 3-bed when your second nipper was born. There should be a paragraph in there which specifically covers "First Setting Up of Home". I haven't got round to loading MS Office on my new (well, about a year old) PC yet or I'd have a look.

TBH on a recent case I had said no for that very reason, but was put back in my box by PSF with that paragraph. Don't want to give false hope to anyone, but certainly in the case I have just dealt with it has been approved for a first move.

[Humble Scribe]

Humble Scribe...... Where is my fave HR rep when I need him?

Sorry SSH, was away watching Cricket at Lords for 4 days!! In answer to your question, YES we will pay you DA for a move from Mess to SFA. The qualification is based on a change in entitlement to SFA; see also DIN 2006 02-056 which outlined the changes in entitlement on introduction of JPA. We have also paid personnel DA & removals for moving to bigger houses when another child was born! Money for old rope if you ask me but for my usual 10% consultation fee we will look into backdating your DA.

[SirSaltyHelmet]

Happy with that!!! Dollars or sterling?

[Humble Scribe]

Happy with that!!! Dollars or sterling?

Dollars will do, I can use them at my new posting too!!

[Downsizer]

Whoa, whoa, whoa! When I got married in July 06 I applied for DA as I had a change of accomodation entitlement (from private rented to MQ's) and it was rejected for the reasons TBJ stated. I.E. it wasn't because of extra kids ect. So know it would appear that I was incorrectly informed, have I missed the boat, is it too late to get it backdated?

[True Blue Jack]

Whoa, whoa, whoa! When I got married in July 06 I applied for DA as I had a change of accomodation entitlement (from private rented to MQ's) and it was rejected for the reasons TBJ stated. I.E. it wasn't because of extra kids ect. So know it would appear that I was incorrectly informed, have I missed the boat, is it too late to get it backdated?

If it turns out you are entitled then you can backdate it as far as last July. The best thing to do is to read the relevant chapter of JSP 752 yourself, since even the shineys on here cannot agree.

[Humble Scribe]

Whoa, whoa, whoa! When I got married in July 06 I applied for DA as I had a change of accomodation entitlement (from private rented to MQ's) and it was rejected for the reasons TBJ stated. I.E. it wasn't because of extra kids ect. So know it would appear that I was incorrectly informed, have I missed the boat, is it too late to get it backdated?

I must admit that I had to check, re-check and verify the regs before I confirmed the entitlement but effectively yes, you can claim it as a mid tour move for change in entitlement. Your entitlement (to SFA) has now changed and you can claim DA; I think it has taken a while for us Shiney's to catch on to this as it hasn't been widely publicised and we're not always open to changes but we have checked with Casework staff and they confirm that there is now an entitlement for DA in these circumstances.

As a word of warning though, each case will be different so before you go spending the DA, check with your PSF that they are happy to approve backdated DA. If they still won't pay up, ask them to check with the JPAC PACC or look at the DIN quoted above. Don't forget my 10 % too!!

[True Blue Jack]

Don't forget my 10 % too!!

You're selling yourself short HS :PDT_Xtremez_30:

[Humble Scribe]

You're selling yourself short HS :PDT_Xtremez_30:

Only too happy to help! As I said, the regulations needed clarification from the usual ambiguity that we were used to from the AP's. It seems the JSP's are equally vague and there will be many a crusty Chf Clk who will try & stick rigorously to the 'old' regs. Just go armed with a copy of DIN 2006 02-056 and the mid-tour movement para from the JSP 752; hopefully you should get your DA. Additionally single mothers are entitled to DA for moving into SFA as they also have a change in accomodation entitlement.

I was surprised myself but this gen comes on good authority.

[chiprafp]

So either way I am knackered as I married an dmoved pre JPA in Nov 05 ! Bugger cheers anyway :)

[Boarderlyne]

That's fantastic. But have now been married since 2004, so no extra dosh for the Boarderlynes :PDT_Xtremez_21: Bugger!

[SirSaltyHelmet]

How is DA paid now?

[tommo9999]

It's paid with salary mate.

[SirSaltyHelmet]

Cheers me old choina

[Downsizer]

Slight problem I may have is that I don't get back from Kandybar till mid July and with PODL it will be aug before I'm back in work. Is there a time limit on getting it backdated? Got hitched and moved in july 06.

[Downsizer]

Only too happy to help! As I said, the regulations needed clarification from the usual ambiguity that we were used to from the AP's. It seems the JSP's are equally vague and there will be many a crusty Chf Clk who will try & stick rigorously to the 'old' regs. Just go armed with a copy of DIN 2006 02-056 and the mid-tour movement para from the JSP 752; hopefully you should get your DA. Additionally single mothers are entitled to DA for moving into SFA as they also have a change in accomodation entitlement.

I was surprised myself but this gen comes on good authority.

Any chance you could summarise what it says in the DIN, I'm in the stan at the mo and acces is somewhat limited. MTIA.

[Humble Scribe]

Slight problem I may have is that I don't get back from Kandybar till mid July and with PODL it will be aug before I'm back in work. Is there a time limit on getting it backdated? Got hitched and moved in july 06.

Hopefully not. May have to explain your case ie you weren't aware of the new regs/det etc but you should be able to backdate.

[SirSaltyHelmet]

Worked for me and now I have to buy the Humble Scribe a slab!

[Humble Scribe]

Worked for me and now I have to buy the Humble Scribe a slab!

I'll look forward to it SSH!!

[SirSaltyHelmet]

I'll look forward to it SSH!!


What flavour would you like?

[RAF_Nurse!]

I claimed DA (via JPA obviously) about 7 - 10 days ago. Several days later it came up on JPA 'workflow notifications' that it had been approved. My question is, when will it be paid? Do i now have to wait until pay day and receive it with my monthly salary? Or will it be paid ASAP?
Cheers :)

[tommo9999]

It's paid with salary normally.

[SirSaltyHelmet]

I had it on last pay day as a seperate payment

[PSFbeatch]

I must admit that I had to check, re-check and verify the regs before I confirmed the entitlement but effectively yes, you can claim it as a mid tour move for change in entitlement. Your entitlement (to SFA) has now changed and you can claim DA; I think it has taken a while for us Shiney's to catch on to this as it hasn't been widely publicised and we're not always open to changes but we have checked with Casework staff and they confirm that there is now an entitlement for DA in these circumstances.

As a word of warning though, each case will be different so before you go spending the DA, check with your PSF that they are happy to approve backdated DA. If they still won't pay up, ask them to check with the JPAC PACC or look at the DIN quoted above. Don't forget my 10 % too!!


you cant claim it to move into a quarter from the block, been there PACC'd it got the tshirt

[SirSaltyHelmet]

Best I give my £969 back then!

It can be done, read the books properly

[PSFbeatch]

Best I give my £969 back then!

It can be done, read the books properly

best you do that then...read them fairly thorughly thanks! nd it clearly states unless you are overseas you cannot have you initial setting up home moved paid for.

We had the same grey area with the rules and somebody contested it, we took it to the PACC and they most definately said no, hey Im all for giving money to people where the rules are lets say not clear discharge and returning your commitment bonus is a good one.

[SirSaltyHelmet]

I have read the DIN, it was all approved as I complied with the 752. Think you may have misunderstood it.

[Humble Scribe]

We PACC'd it too when the regs first changed and they said Yes! Admit this was through Inns rather than Glasgow but should be the same regs; we've paid loads of people and don't intend to claim it back. Until PACC get their house in order and clarify their regulations will continue to do so too!

[The Loan Ranger]

On a similar line of enquiry, I am living in my own home off base and when me and Mrs Ranger tie the knot we are thinking off getting into quarters and rent out my old place (1 bed flat), is there any entitlement to DA as I moved into my own home years ago and paid for it all myself, cheers Shineys...

[True Blue Jack]

you cant claim it to move into a quarter from the block, been there PACC'd it got the tshirt

I disagree with the payment of DA on marriage out of principle (and not just because I didn't get it XX years ago!). Whether it's an oversight that there is no specific "first setting up of home" rule now or not, the regs can be interpreted to allow the payment of DA so until/unless that changes let people have the money.

[tommo9999]

I have been informed that the highly intelligent and gifted administrators at Air Command will be having a look at standardising these regs soon.

[Humble Scribe]

I have been informed that the highly intelligent and gifted administrators at Air Command will be having a look at standardising these regs soon.

You'll be lucky!! Should really come from SP Pol not Air command.

The regs say, 'mid-assignment moves on a change of accommodation entitlement.' You get married, your accom entitlement changes - simple as!

[True Blue Jack]

best you do that then...read them fairly thorughly thanks! nd it clearly states unless you are overseas you cannot have you initial setting up home moved paid for.

But not recently it seems. The first setting up of home clause has mysteriously vanished.

On a similar line of enquiry, I am living in my own home off base and when me and Mrs Ranger tie the knot we are thinking off getting into quarters and rent out my old place (1 bed flat), is there any entitlement to DA as I moved into my own home years ago and paid for it all myself, cheers Shineys...

I'm sorry TLR we seem to have overlooked your question. When you get married your entitlement to service accommodation will change. On that basis you should get DA if you move into quarters immediately following your marriage. I must admit though that I am uncomfortable about that since you already live in your own property so you will be moving house more for convenience than necessity.

[ForgottenName]

[quote=Humble Scribe;125411]You'll be lucky!! Should really come from SP Pol not Air command.

But Air Command can have dialogue with Sp Pol and, if Air Comd, particularly A1 Staneval alongwith Corporate Governance, have tangible evidence that the rules are being interpretated differently they will have much more sway with Sp Pol to get the rules clarified and guidance issued to units accordingly.

[The Loan Ranger]

Cheers TBJ but the move would be into a house from a 1 bed flat, the flat is good when you're on your own but a bit cramped for 2, have looked around into buying but not sure we want that as I've been at my current location for a bit so no doubt the inevitable move will follow.

[Humble Scribe]

[quote=Humble Scribe;125411]You'll be lucky!! Should really come from SP Pol not Air command.

But Air Command can have dialogue with Sp Pol and, if Air Comd, particularly A1 Staneval alongwith Corporate Governance, have tangible evidence that the rules are being interpretated differently they will have much more sway with Sp Pol to get the rules clarified and guidance issued to units accordingly.

That's exaxtly what we need FN, a T Letter clarifying SP Pol's stance on this one. I must admit to feeling uneasy about paying on first setting up of home (as TBJ states) but JSP 752 clearly allows this at the moment and no-one should be penalised if that's how their unit has interpreted it thus far.

I look forward to A1 Staneval's intervention in this matter!

[Downsizer]

Just wanted to say a massive thanks to everyone who offered some help on this thread. I finally got paid the DA in Septembers pay run, result!! The chief clerk did mention however that the "change of accomodation" clause was one of a number of things looking at being modified. Anyway cheers guys.

[tommo9999]

As Downsizer has had his DA resolved - Thread closed.