The Worst At Admin?

[SgtScribbly]

Adminers dont usually profess to be able to do any other trade's job, however easy they appear to be. However the same cannot be said for most of the rest of the air force. So who fecks you off the most with their ineptitude when they try their hand at Admin?

[FOMz]

I can't see the option for Admin on the poll. Is this another admin c0ck up? :PDT_Xtremez_14:

[Seymour Tw@tt]

I can't see the option for Admin on the poll. Is this another admin c0ck up? :PDT_Xtremez_14:

That would be an overwhelming "yes" then... JPA fookup

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[SgtScribbly]

I can't see the option for Admin on the poll. Is this another admin c0ck up? :PDT_Xtremez_14:

for the hard of understanding there is the option of "other"

[FOMz]

Which covers a multitude of sins...........but not a root cause :PDT_Xtremez_14:

[Albert Park]

for the hard of understanding there is the option of "other"

Considering the subject is Admin, is it not unreasonable to expect to see an 'Admin' option rather than bundle it up with 'Other'?

[SgtScribbly]

Try reading post one, then try and work out who this thread is aimed at. It might be a tad tricky but hey, you will get there in the end.

[Albert Park]

Try reading post one, then try and work out who this thread is aimed at. It might be a tad tricky but hey, you will get there in the end.

It took YOU a while to work out how your own post works.

[SgtScribbly]

It took YOU a while to work out how your own post works.

i havent voted yet

[ForgottenName]

i havent voted yet

I have, and in 32 years I have met many people who claim that they could do my job, but none who actually could - their words not mine.

[Albert Park]

i havent voted yet

You're probably looking for 'Admin' but it was conveniently left off!

[ForgottenName]

I voted Aircrew because, on my tour of UK units, I heard of an aircrew bod who changed his bank account, but did not go on to JPA. So when the system tried to put his money into the account that he had just closed it did not work. Now, under the old system we could have done something about it, but not now.

As an adminer, JPA is not my system but it is a tool that I have got to use. The problem is that it is also a self-service tool, but there are a lot of people who think that we should think for them.

[Boarderlyne]

I would love to say aircrew, but I have never had a bad aircrew bod giving me GBH of the earhole cos of any admin dramas. My answer would have to be the trade that was in the majority at a certain base that was up in NE of Jockland. Never had I met such arrogance and such overweening egotism in one small area. Tourettes and a few others were the exceptions that proved the rule. Such was the arrogance of this screen-watching trade that one of their brethern declared We are more important than aircrew. Without us, the aircrew would never find their target. To say that it took our breath away would be an understatement.

But saying that they had some great people in that trade. Velma as Staish was brilliant. She could have a party in an empty house could that girl! :PDT_Xtremez_31:

[Get Tae]

Voted 'other' - read that as Admin.

[True Blue Jack]

It was a hard choice between 'aircrew' and 'techies'. What decided it in the end is that there are some techies who have benefitted from advice given by shineys on here and still voted 'other' with the caveat that it should be read as 'admin'.

Yes, Get Tae, I am talking about you. Did you get your Operational Allowance by the way? :PDT_Xtremez_15:

[Get Tae]

Yes, Get Tae, I am talking about you. Did you get your Operational Allowance by the way? :PDT_Xtremez_15:

My vote was in no way aimed at you TBJ:PDT_Xtremez_31: merely a vote for the bad ones.

As with any trade i have come across some brilliant guys and gals like your good self but sadly they are the minority. :PDT_Xtremez_35:

What did it for me was this year was when i put an application form for Sub pay in and it took a month for it to be returned as I had filled in a non-JPA form. Fair enough you say wrong form but how the **** did it take a month to get there and back. When I phoned up to see how it was progressing another month down the line I was told to hang on, whereby there was a load of paper shuffling noises and the reply was, oh, eh, yeah that was going to be processed today. MY ARSE WAS IT! wonder how long that was going to sit in some ferkers in tray till that was paid????:PDT_Xtremez_25:

[True Blue Jack]

What did it for me was this year was when i put an application form for Sub pay in and it took a month for it to be returned as I had filled in a non-JPA form. Fair enough you say wrong form but how the **** did it take a month to get there and back. When I phoned up to see how it was progressing another month down the line I was told to hang on, whereby there was a load of paper shuffling noises and the reply was, oh, eh, yeah that was going to be processed today. MY ARSE WAS IT! wonder how long that was going to sit in some ferkers in tray till that was paid????:PDT_Xtremez_25:

You really don't get much luck with your admin do you? :PDT_Xtremez_42:

If I was feeling feisty I would surmise that you had pi$$ed them off in a former life. Sadly, TG17 is full of stories like yours - PSF didn't get the nickname "Handbrake House" for nothing.

So, in my trade's defence I will tell you a little story of my own. Last Friday I took a stack of Fs6000 home with me to proof-read over the weekend. JEngO had given them to me earlier in the week proudly declaring "All Done". On Monday I sent 3 of them to PMA, the remaining 15 or so were returned to JEngO for poor English, missing signatures, etc. The scary part is they were all appraisals on SACs/Jnr Techs and should have been completed weeks ago. I finally got the WO's 2005 appraisal complete this week. Just his 2006 appraisal and his 2007 SJAR on the go now! Techies suck at admin, fact! ::P:

[Get Tae]

If I was feeling feisty I would surmise that you had pi$$ed them off in a former life.

Could be but I have only been into the place twice in 6 years and know no-one so probably not.

As for the F6000s well what can I say? a Jengo isn't really a techie is he, more like a wanna be with a commission.
All joking aside this ain't gonna do anyone any favours as PMA have now stated that late 6000s will no longer get included on promo boards. Wonder how long it will be before someone gets sued for not getting the lads 6000s there in time and losing them thier promotion eh?!!

[Man in Black]

For me it has to be Techies. In my experience, they can fix planes or whatever it is they do but can't follow simple instructions. They then have the cheek to say "If I did my job as badly as you do someone could die". And they complain about being underpaid by pence....nuff said!

[NotAnIDOYet]

I would love to say aircrew, but I have never had a bad aircrew bod giving me GBH of the earhole cos of any admin dramas. My answer would have to be the trade that was in the majority at a certain base that was up in NE of Jockland. Never had I met such arrogance and such overweening egotism in one small area. Tourettes and a few others were the exceptions that proved the rule. Such was the arrogance of this screen-watching trade that one of their brethern declared We are more important than aircrew. Without us, the aircrew would never find their target. To say that it took our breath away would be an understatement.

But saying that they had some great people in that trade. Velma as Staish was brilliant. She could have a party in an empty house could that girl! :PDT_Xtremez_31:


You are probably refering to the commissioned bretheren here, most tg12 types are too busy smoking or playing on Xboxes to flout our own self importance.

Techies that think all equipment is theirs really grip my sh1te. What I need is a techie that understands the problems I am having with kit, then go away to fix it and let me have it back. Fixed kit=more ukkers time for techies surely?

Worst at admin though, must be medics IMHO

[Boarderlyne]

You are probably refering to the commissioned bretheren here, most tg12 types are too busy smoking or playing on Xboxes to flout our own self importance.

Techies that think all equipment is theirs really grip my sh1te. What I need is a techie that understands the problems I am having with kit, then go away to fix it and let me have it back. Fixed kit=more ukkers time for techies surely?

Worst at admin though, must be medics IMHO

I would like to say that it was true, but some of the others could make me shake my head in disbelief as well. But like I said, you had a fair share of good guys as well. It was just unfortunate that you had more than your fair share of spankers as well! :PDT_Xtremez_34:

[KingGuin]

I almost voted for aircrew on the grounds of their universal sheer arogance, thought about it then swerved towards Techies. In a moment of weakness I then acknowledged they can do paperwork (albeit covered in unsavoury stains, folded and produced from the depths of a grimey overall).However in terms of sheer ineptitude my winning vote went to the Medics. That in no way demeans the wonderful job they do but when it comes to paperwork they make my eyes bleed.

[Comms_Lad]

I was gonna vote techies purely and simply because its hard to say something nice about them. But then I thought of the arse of an occifer that I asked to call me back in 5 mins from a different computer and when he called me back asked me why it still wasnt working
problem 1. What isnt working??????
problem 2. He originally called me last week which was when i asked him to call me back in 5 minutes, I finally received his call back today

They cant even return a phone call for fecks sake so their admin is sh*te

[roverboy]

Depends on if you mean personal admin, or work related admin, because as one of the techies that are getting slagged off so much, I have often had to fill in aircraft paperwork because a member of our illustrious aircrew could not be bothered to fill a few boxes in post sortie.

[Chuffybum]

Without a doubt its the growbags. Every Sqn I been on they were useless as soon as they placed their feet back on the ground. No good at admin or anything else but put them in the cockpit and i take my hat off to them - in the air, they're the best!

[woollymouse]

It's Medics for me by which I don't necessarily mean the nurses and docs just the rest of them, at least techies make an attempt a poor one sometimes but at least on the whole they know when something looks wrong (it doesn't mean that they will point it out if its in their favour but how many others would comment if that was the case). For a trade that has Admin in it's trade title it worries me how any Med admin gets done in Med Centres. I know it shouldn't take over two months for a downgrading form to reach the individual from when they signed it, it's only a case of photocopying and putting it in the internal mail, after all doesn't take a genius to do that now does it?

Yes I've also been the recipient of poor admin by my 'fellow' trade specialists and it makes my blood boil when it happens that's usually followed by a one to one or myself showing/reminding the clerk how it should be done (if they **** me off I **** them off when I point out the error of their ways). It's one thing to upset an Officer but you never upset someone who could be your first RO a few months/years down the line.

[Blonde Bitch]

That would be an overwhelming "yes" then... JPA fookup

:PDT_Xtremez_17:

The message is still taking a while to get through then, JPA is not an admin solution/desire or anything just something we have been handed with very limited training to work with and if you speak to the majority (hedging my bets) of adminers they hate it. So the idea of the thread I believe is for all those individuals (all trades) out there who even under the old system still required help to fill out a leave pass - officers then, or a claim - definately not officers.

[pueblos]

Said Other because Admins not there

[MontyPlumbs]

I would say that Admin are bad at admin, its just 99% of them I've come across have an attitude that stinks of horse manure.

Me - "Why haven't I had my Q-OPS backpay, its been a year?"

Admin Sgt - "Yeah, it takes time, you'll get it eventually"

WHAT THE FCUK!!! I'D LIKE TO SEE HIM BUSTED DOWN TO SAC PAY THEN TOLD HE WILL GET HIS SGT BACKPAY IN A YEAR OR SO!!!!!


grrrr

rant over

(ps legal advice being sought)

[BogCatchTechnition]

Completely agree with above there attitude in general stinks, there is the occasional helpful one out there but mostly there a bunch of lazy gits with more excuses for not doing there job than anyone else in the Service.

I have only just sorted out a pay problem that has spanned back to Dec 2005, which was for a lot more than pennys, I eventually sorted this myself with the help of a Flt Lt Admin type at the secret JPAC back room / Ops room. My Stn Admin staff tried to blame everything else including "the system", PMA, me, their predecesor, etc etc, but not one of them from SNCO's downwards were of any use whatsoever, they couldn't even tell me who to speak to.
One in particular told me he'd call me back in the afternoon then proceeded to go on a "Sports Afternoon" and then denied all knowledge the next day, kin cheeser.
Admin staff suck at admin fact.

The quicker they get on the QA system the better, QOR's/ QIR's will be flying there way.
rant over!

[woollymouse]

I would say that Admin are bad at admin, its just 99% of them I've come across have an attitude that stinks of horse manure.

Me - "Why haven't I had my Q-OPS backpay, its been a year?"

Admin Sgt - "Yeah, it takes time, you'll get it eventually"

WHAT THE FCUK!!! I'D LIKE TO SEE HIM BUSTED DOWN TO SAC PAY THEN TOLD HE WILL GET HIS SGT BACKPAY IN A YEAR OR SO!!!!!


grrrr

rant over

(ps legal advice being sought)

I can't believe an Admin Sgt would have the balls (come to think about it I can believe it that's why Admin gets a bad name) to tell you that it takes time to get back pay, when all it take is for them (in this instance) to check the qualification is correctly recorded on JPA and to send a retrospective change over 3 months form to the JPA back office to be actioned if the qualification has been recorded incorrectly. That should get the problem sorted at JPA as a priority, if the guy paid any attention to the JPA bulletins that are released he would know that.

It's guys like that who are sitting waiting on pensions and giving the adminers as a whole a poor rep, I bet if it was his back pay or some officer/WO's it would be sorted within a week. I advise you get your WO to speak with the Chf Clk and explain what has gone on, WO to WO something may just start the ball rolling in the right direction. Whilst I don't condone going over the SNCO's head there are times when you have to.

[Humble Scribe]

Whilst I do have some sympathy for your plights, it's not all down to the Adminers. If your NVQ assessors got their fingers out of their arrises and marked your NVQ on time you wouldn't have to wait so long and go through all the admin hoops to get your Q-Ops to record! Additionally, some feckwit programmer (probably adminer!) forgot to get JPA to recognise a SAC(T) which is why there was so many problems last year! Just as most of the problems were sorted and we had some kind of system that allowed the Q-Ops to go to record without too many delays, the goalposts have been moved again and any promotion to SAC(T) over 3 months old has to have some sort of justification from NVQ Central to allow the backdating!

This has really fecked me off as some of us adminers are trying to do the best for you guys but this just beggars belief! Total bureaucracy gone madder! So whilst I have total sympathy for your lack of hard cash (get an advance!) I can also see things from your SNEK PSF's perspective; he is a victim of the system as much as you are.

[MontyPlumbs]

Sorry mate but the signal for my promotion was sent here in August 2006, its mysteriously "dissapeared". I had to telephone the NVQ cell at Tossford, get them to fax me the signal, and then march to the admin dude to slap him in his face. All the other SACs on the signal have had their pay (but they are on different sections)

I understand JPA has made an adminers job harder in some ways, but its their fcuking attitude that grips my sh1t.

As for speaking to the Chf Clk, its gone way past that mate.

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[True Blue Jack]

Sorry mate but the signal for my promotion was sent here in August 2006, its mysteriously "dissapeared". I had to telephone the NVQ cell at Tossford, get them to fax me the signal, and then march to the admin dude to slap him in his face. All the other SACs on the signal have had their pay (but they are on different sections)

I understand JPA has made an adminers job harder in some ways, but its their fcuking attitude that grips my sh1t.

As for speaking to the Chf Clk, its gone way past that mate.

:PDT_Xtremez_28:

While the PSF Sgt's attitude seems a bit off you don't know how many other people with the same or similar problem had given him earache that day. It gets you down sooner or later. Plus, if your opening statement was, shall we say, confrontational, then you're lucky his reply was as restrained as it was. I physically threw somebody out of my office once for coming over all "I'm pi$$ed off, what are you going to do about it?".

Do us all a favour and write a letter of complaint to the JPA Ops Room (I think the details are on another thread). The trouble is that people with problems like yours whinge like fcuk on the goat, in the crewroom, or at their clerk, but rarely whinge at the people who can actually do something about it. Lately I have given this advice to anyone with a problem which is caused and/or exacerbated by JPA - it's the only way it has a chance of getting better.

[MontyPlumbs]

No I'm sorry TBJ it wasn't me just going in there and having a rant. That was the THIRD time I'd spoken to him regarding the matter (the previous two times I'd been extremely polite) I still think even on the last time I was restrained considering the circumstances - I didn't call him a cnut once.

The fact is, these are my PERSONAL FINANCES and the guy just doesn't seem to give a sh1t. The RAF now owes me over £4000.

I don't care how people he's had to deal with that day. I don't moan about how many bombs I have to put on aircraft, how many ejection seats I have to pull, I just do it BECAUSE ITS WHAT I'M PAID TO DO.

I have had the Sqn FS on the case, but there's only so much he can do. The Warrant is RN and hasn't the foggiest about the Q-OPS system. JEngo is RN too.

The steps I've now taken is a) a formal letter of complaint to the Squadron Commander and b) seeking legal advice on the legal aspects of not being paid the wage to which I am entitled (I'm not in the Russian military FFS)

As I've said before, yes JPA has made a clerks job harder - but welcome to the RAF of 2007!