Kat and Rover's Rockapedia

[roverboy]

Want to know which was the classic Purple line up?
Ever wondered why Roger Waters wrote "Shine on you Crazy Diamond?
Can't decide between a Fender or a Gibson?"

Ask either Kat or myself and if we don't know, we'll consult our contacts in the music business for you. Whilst I lean toward Classic Rock and proper Metal, I'll be happy to advise on guitar related matters, whilst Kat will specialise in the more modern side of things, along with the classics. Buphoonery is now on the panel, bringing with him several anecdotes of when he toured with the likes of Motorhead and Saxon as a roady. Bill Bones has also offered a tap into his immense knowledge of all things Indie and Punk/Post-Punk. His real name is Sid Vicious and enjoyed a music career with a band called "The Sex Pistols"

Goaters, please feel free to provide gig reviews and any other good Rock related info you may have.

[Stu-pid]

why did Roger Waters wrote "Shine on you Crazy Diamond?

[roverboy]

why did Roger Waters wrote "Shine on you Crazy Diamond?

Congratulations Stu, you're my first customer. It was a tribute to former band member "Syd Barrett" who went completely La La, as were many other songs such "Great Gig in the Sky" found on the Dark Side of the Moon album

[Bill Bones]

I knew that. Can I join your merry gang of music boffs?

[Buphoonery]

Why did AC/DC write the song "She's Got Balls"?

[katinthehat]

Why did AC/DC write the song "She's Got Balls"?

Buph - you know damn well why!! Stop being bad!!
Or I will confiscate your wholenut!!!

But.... as you asked.....

"The song is about Bon Scott's wife, Irene. Irene had complained that Scott had not written a song about her. When Scott wrote the song, their marriage was over."

[Buphoonery]

Buph - you know damn well why!! Stop being bad!!
Or I will confiscate your wholenut!!!



Just testing! I earned it - It's all mine!

[TrenchardsLoveSock]

I've been wracking my brains since my post and can't remember who supported Antrax for the UK leg of their Persistence Of Time tour. It was before Joey Belladonna left so about 91 or 92.

Also, one for roverboy (as he was there). Who were those Scandanavian muppets who supported Thunder in Aylesbury in 91? All I remember was the front man wearing a stupid tye-dye shirt and pretending to be a tree by "growing" on stage.

[Warwick Hunt]

Congratulations Stu, you're my first customer. It was a tribute to former band member "Syd Barrett" who went completely La La, as were many other songs such "Great Gig in the Sky" found on the Dark Side of the Moon album


A further point on from there - the band hadn't seen or heard of Syd in years when they recorded 'Shine On...' Then one day, completely out of the blue, during the recording of that tune, Syd appeared at the recording studio to see the band which amazed them all as he happened to re-appear during the recording of his very own tribute tune.

Check me out!:PDT_Xtremez_15:

[Buphoonery]

Buph - you know damn well why!! Stop being bad!!
Or I will confiscate your wholenut!!!

But.... as you asked.....

"The song is about Bon Scott's wife, Irene. Irene had complained that Scott had not written a song about her. When Scott wrote the song, their marriage was over."



Quite correct Kat - just testing!

[TrenchardsLoveSock]

I found the answer to the Thunder question. It was The Electric Boys, the two founders are now part of Hanoi Rocks.

[roverboy]

A further point on from there - the band hadn't seen or heard of Syd in years when they recorded 'Shine On...' Then one day, completely out of the blue, during the recording of that tune, Syd appeared at the recording studio to see the band which amazed them all as he happened to re-appear during the recording of his very own tribute tune.

Check me out!:PDT_Xtremez_15:

That's cos he was with me, Ozzy and Bon Scott on a bender in the Dog and Duck. He only left cos we called him timmy 2 cans

[roverboy]

I've been wracking my brains since my post and can't remember who supported Antrax for the UK leg of their Persistence Of Time tour. It was before Joey Belladonna left so about 91 or 92.

Also, one for roverboy (as he was there). Who were those Scandanavian muppets who supported Thunder in Aylesbury in 91? All I remember was the front man wearing a stupid tye-dye shirt and pretending to be a tree by "growing" on stage.

Anthrax - was it someone like Overkill, Testament or Onslaught? I'll look into it

[roverboy]

Ladies & Gents, Moshers and Headbangers, I'd like to welcome Buphoonery to the Rockapedia bringing with him several anecdotes of when he toured with the likes of Motorhead and Saxon as a roady. Thanks for helping out mate

[katinthehat]

Welcome to the fold - oh Rock Dinosaur - now.... what was it? Track 3 side 1???:PDT_Xtremez_15:

[Bill Bones]

Bill Bones has also offered a tap into his immense knowledge of all things Indie and Punk/Post-Punk. His real name is Sid Vicious and enjoyed a music career with a band called "The Sex Pistols"



Cheers for the mint intro RB. It's not unknown for me to sing ''My Way'' at the drop of a hat.

[grumpyoldb]

Congratulations Stu, you're my first customer. It was a tribute to former band member "Syd Barrett" who went completely La La, as were many other songs such "Great Gig in the Sky" found on the Dark Side of the Moon album

Rover, not trying to be pedantic, but "Shine on" was written by "Gilmour/Waters/Wright" accorging to the sleeve on the David Gilmour in concert DVD.

[monobrow]

Shine On You Crazy Diamond" is a nine-part Pink Floyd composition with lyrics written by Roger Waters, in tribute to former band member Syd Barrett, and music written by Waters, Richard Wright, and David Gilmour. It was first performed on their 1974 tour.[1] It was recorded for the 1975 concept album Wish You Were Here. The song was intended to be a side-long composition like "Atom Heart Mother" and "Echoes," but the song grew longer than a single side of vinyl would allow. It was split into two parts and used to bookend the album. Both parts make up the longest Pink Floyd song ever recorded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shine_on_you_crazy_diamond

Shamlessly nicked from wiki, but it was definately written as a tribute to their ex band member Syd Barrett who went mental.

[Warwick Hunt]

That's cos he was with me, Ozzy and Bon Scott on a bender in the Dog and Duck. He only left cos we called him timmy 2 cans

I was there too, having a quickie with Joan Jett round the back against the bins.

[grumpyoldb]

Shine On You Crazy Diamond" is a nine-part Pink Floyd composition with lyrics written by Roger Waters, in tribute to former band member Syd Barrett, and music written by Waters, Richard Wright, and David Gilmour. It was first performed on their 1974 tour.[1] It was recorded for the 1975 concept album Wish You Were Here. The song was intended to be a side-long composition like "Atom Heart Mother" and "Echoes," but the song grew longer than a single side of vinyl would allow. It was split into two parts and used to bookend the album. Both parts make up the longest Pink Floyd song ever recorded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shine_on_you_crazy_diamond

Shamlessly nicked from wiki, but it was definately written as a tribute to their ex band member Syd Barrett who went mental.

Thanks Mono. It's a particular favorite of mine.
I also have the Syd Barrett dvd by Pink Floyd.

[Bill Bones]

In a somewhat sad twist it's said that Syd turned up at the studio while they were recording it and no one recognised him as he'd but on several stones in wieight and shaved off all his hair and his eyebrows.

[monobrow]

Well I'm more than happy to help in this thread if anyones got a musical based question....

I've been playing the guitar for a fair while now, so if the blues scale is getting you down or A minor 11th 2nd inversion (thats the name for all 6 strings open by the way) just sounds pap, gimmie a buzz and I'll try to help out.

Just don't ask me about bands, unless it's Metallica.....

[grumpyoldb]

I've been playing the guitar for a fair while now

I've built a few, so if anyone needs any info on repairs etc, just sing-out.(No pun intended).

[katinthehat]

Cheers Mono - much appreciated!!

And Grumpyoldb - thats some talent - mine is over 30yrs old now, and still a great sound - with a few well earned knocks of course!!

Any other accoustic players who perefer all metal strings though - or is it just me that likes blisters on my finger ends???????:PDT_Xtremez_17:

[monobrow]

To be honest, I absolutely love the sound of a classical guitar, or Nylon strung acoustic....

Flamenco players, I tip my hat to thee

Question for Grumpy then, how much would one of your hand crafted peices set me back?

(In theoretical terms, as purchasing one would probably be way out of what I have spare!)

[grumpyoldb]

Any other accoustic players who perefer all metal strings though - or is it just me that likes blisters on my finger ends???????:PDT_Xtremez_17:

Kat, I alway's fit D'addario phosphor bronze string to my acoustics.

My strat is fitted with Ernie Ball slinky's.

[monobrow]

Kat, I alway's fit D'addario phosphor bronze string to my acoustics.

My strat is fitted with Ernie Ball slinky's.

Quality choice for the acoustics....

You should try D'addario strings on the lecky guitar. I've found with their plastic wrapper, they corrode sooooo much less than other brands.

(I play 12's on the acoustic, 9's or 10's on me Ibanez can't remember what they're called, but the ones with massive bottom end strings.)

[grumpyoldb]

Question for Grumpy then, how much would one of your hand crafted peices set me back?

(In theoretical terms, as purchasing one would probably be way out of what I have spare!)

To be honest mate, I stopped trying to make a living out of about 10 years ago. There's a standing joke in the industry, that if you want to make a living out of making guitars, first get a part time job at McDonalds.

My prices used to start at £1500 and went up to £3000.
Take into consideration that there's a months work in it, plus parts, it isn't much of a wage these day's.

I just build for fun these day's, but every now and then, Mrs Grumpy gets sick of falling over them and prompts me sell a couple.

[monobrow]

I thought as much... After all, you do pay for quality and if it's one bloke pouring as much time in as needs to make one.

Remember picking up a Dean acoustic, then seeing the price tag. I almost fainted! But the sound quality was f*cking awesome!

[grumpyoldb]

Quality choice for the acoustics....

You should try D'addario strings on the lecky guitar. I've found with their plastic wrapper, they corrode sooooo much less than other brands.

(I play 12's on the acoustic, 9's or 10's on me Ibanez can't remember what they're called, but the ones with massive bottom end strings.)

I use 12's on the acoustics too, but I'm down to 8's on the start as I do a lot of bending and have removed the whang bar.

[monobrow]

he he he, strangley enough.......

Floating point tremlo locked off, tremlo arm thrown away (I hate them, including bloody floyd rose ones!)

8's though.... you sure your sister isn't playing them :PDT_Xtremez_30:

9's and a heavy bottom end is the way forward, and (experience with ernie ball 8's) they don't snap after a month or so.

[grumpyoldb]

he he he, strangley enough.......

Floating point tremlo locked off, tremlo arm thrown away (I hate them, including bloody floyd rose ones!)

8's though.... you sure your sister isn't playing them :PDT_Xtremez_30:

9's and a heavy bottom end is the way forward, and (experience with ernie ball 8's) they don't snap after a month or so.

Mine don't last a month as I change them every two weeks, and I haven't broken one for years. (Just watch me go and break one tonite........LOL!)

How much do you pay for strings in your neck of the woods?

I get mine from here.........
http://www.guitar.co.uk/

£4 per set + postage which is £1.
I order several sets at a time so I only pay the postage once.

[roverboy]

he he he, strangley enough.......

Floating point tremlo locked off, tremlo arm thrown away (I hate them, including bloody floyd rose ones!)

8's though.... you sure your sister isn't playing them :PDT_Xtremez_30:

9's and a heavy bottom end is the way forward, and (experience with ernie ball 8's) they don't snap after a month or so.

I've never used the tremelo on my PRS either

I use slinky's (9's) on the PRS, 12's on my acoustic and anything else I can get my hands on for my Ibanez & sh!tty strat copy. I use that slick string stuff on my strings before and after playing and that seems to keep them in good condition.

[katinthehat]

Right guys - question from me - just in case anone has any inside knowledge - Ive checked the website, but nothing - dont know if any rumours have been heard elsewhere so thought I would ask-

Anyone know when Y&T are touring the UK next?
I missed out last year I know - and by all accounts they were as amazing as I would expect. Desperate to see them live!!

Anyone know anything???

[MingMong]

So much for a 'rockapedia' seems to have turned into a chat about guitars.
Hijaking your own thread and turning it totally off topic is a new one on me!

[roverboy]

So much for a 'rockapedia' seems to have turned into a chat about guitars.
Hijaking your own thread and turning it totally off topic is a new one on me!

Guitars WERE mentioned in the opening post. If people want to chat about guitars, we're not going to be anal and tell them they can't.

[roverboy]

Right guys - question from me - just in case anone has any inside knowledge - Ive checked the website, but nothing - dont know if any rumours have been heard elsewhere so thought I would ask-

Anyone know when Y&T are touring the UK next?
I missed out last year I know - and by all accounts they were as amazing as I would expect. Desperate to see them live!!

Anyone know anything???

Hi Kat, I've just come off the phone to Dave Meneketti and he said to take a look at this:
http://www.meniketti.com/vforum/showthread.php?t=16290

I'll be having a few beers with him at the weekend, so I'll get him drunk and make him promise to announce some definate dates.

[katinthehat]

Hi Kat, I've just come off the phone to Dave Meneketti and he said to take a look at this:
http://www.meniketti.com/vforum/showthread.php?t=16290

I'll be having a few beers with him at the weekend, so I'll get him drunk and make him promise to announce some definate dates.


RB - you are a star - and just remind him that I want to check out that backstage area..... not that I would groupie for him of course.... Now Danny Bowes.........thats different!!!:PDT_Xtremez_28:

[Mentaldrummer1980]

What is the name of Queen's Bass guitarist. everyone always seem's to be able name all the other members except him. You gotta admit he was the grey man of Queen.

[MingMong]

John Deacon

Knew the answer anyway, but a 10 second google search would have easily thrown up the answer.

[roverboy]

What is the name of Queen's Bass guitarist. everyone always seem's to be able name all the other members except him. You gotta admit he was the grey man of Queen.

You could have asked what his Nan's name was or something like that, and after meeting him for a pint in the Horse & Jockey at the weekend, I could have told you that it is Maureen Hattersley (after reverting back to her maiden name)

[katinthehat]

You could have asked what his Nan's name was or something like that, and after meeting him for a pint in the Horse & Jockey at the weekend, I could have told you that it is Maureen Hattersley (after reverting back to her maiden name)


Ah - she still drinks there then?? I assumed she had possibly taken up residence in Rattys these days.......:PDT_Xtremez_34:

[TrenchardsLoveSock]

What is the name of Queen's Bass guitarist. everyone always seem's to be able name all the other members except him. You gotta admit he was the grey man of Queen.

Isn't that the fate of most bass players? Apart from a few 'personalities' such as Flea, they mostly stand there and do their bit without fuss.

Deacon was also onto a loser because the rest of the band were quite high profile. Brian May is a genius with that hair and Roger Taylor sometimes took to the mic and looked a bit 'Rock and Roll'. Deacon just looked like someone who'd wandered on stage by mistake.

[Mentaldrummer1980]

John Deacon

Knew the answer anyway, but a 10 second google search would have easily thrown up the answer.

Why use Google, thats too easy. Anyway I wanted to test KAT & Rover's Rocapedia. It was just one of those "who the fu*k is he" questions, that no one i have ever met has ever answered.

[Mentaldrummer1980]

You could have asked what his Nan's name was or something like that, and after meeting him for a pint in the Horse & Jockey at the weekend, I could have told you that it is Maureen Hattersley (after reverting back to her maiden name)

What is he up to then these days??? I bet he is either living off the Queen estate or is doing some on the side building work in a vain attempt to get back on the telly as a feature on rogue traders, LOL

[roverboy]

I told you, he drinks in the Horse & Jockey in Coningsby Village and regularly plays in the Axe & Cleaver in Boston with his new gay tribute Queen band "Queer"

[katinthehat]

I would imagine with having six kids he is probably busy with them............:PDT_Xtremez_34:

But no doubt as a trained electrical engineer that is what he is busy doing to keep himself in beer money - as he no doubt needs it...........:PDT_Xtremez_17:

[mcdoodle]

theres a great manchester band called i am kloot, the lead singer often tours as a solo artist, but what i want to know is, when are they touring again as a band, and when will they have a new album out?

[penfold93]

Can you tell me if a band called Mordred are still around and also Tygers of Pan Tang?

[katinthehat]

Can you tell me if a band called Mordred are still around and also Tygers of Pan Tang?

Oooh now there is a band I havent heard of for a while -but the Tygers are touring this year - details on their website -
link (http://www.tygers.co.uk/)

Mordred split in 1995, but reformed for a few dates in 2005. Still around - playing occassionally - check out the myspace link -
link (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=183266940)


Hope that helps!!!

[katinthehat]

theres a great manchester band called i am kloot, the lead singer often tours as a solo artist, but what i want to know is, when are they touring again as a band, and when will they have a new album out?


All info available on the following -

link (http://www.iamkloot.com/)

[mcdoodle]

All info available on the following -

link (http://www.iamkloot.com/)

haha! ogt that website, but it doesnt say much! was hoping with all of the guys insider info, i might have got an exclusive!!:PDT_Xtremez_14:

cheers tho!

[katinthehat]

haha! ogt that website, but it doesnt say much! was hoping with all of the guys insider info, i might have got an exclusive!!:PDT_Xtremez_14:

cheers tho!


Not me with the insider knowledge Im afraid MD - but I try to help where I can - and seeing as RB is AWOL today on here - twas the best I could suggest!!!!:PDT_Xtremez_14:

Not my thing really - but some of it sounded good - so may have another listen later!!

[mcdoodle]

Not me with the insider knowledge Im afraid MD - but I try to help where I can - and seeing as RB is AWOL today on here - twas the best I could suggest!!!!:PDT_Xtremez_14:

Not my thing really - but some of it sounded good - so may have another listen later!!


if you decide you like, give me a shout, got all 4 of their cd's, and i think you live local to me!!:PDT_Xtremez_30:

[katinthehat]

Cheers MD - will do!!!
Always open to a bit of musical education!!:PDT_Xtremez_28:

[roverboy]

The larger than life legend that is Meatloaf is back and you’d better believe it. The Newcastle arena kicked off with a medley of songs from the legendary Bat out of Hell album sang by the rather attractive backing singers before the man himself entered the stage with a standing ovation from the 30 something crowd. Sporting long hair that took the audience back in time to Meatloaf’s sprightlier days, Meat launched into an up tempo rendition of “Paradise by the dashboard light”. But not everything is always as it seems with the mighty man and it was revealed that Meatloaf’s long hair was, in fact a wig.
Meatloaf has obviously lost a great deal of weight, and it is clearly evident that he has not been a well man. Taking frequent rests as well as a 10 minute interval half way through, he ensured that the audience was not disappointed and the show carried on through a total of 2 and a half hours of songs from the Bat Out of Hell 2&3 albums, before finishing the main set with a somewhat toned down original “Bat out of Hell”, the song that most of the audience was clearly waiting for. After a final short interval, the band returned for an encore that featured a cover version of “Black Betty” and finally ended with the Stones’ “Gimme Shelter”. Notably absent from the set were songs such as “Deadringer” and “Heaven can wait”, but this did not detract from an excellent show.
So has Meatloaf still got it? You bet he has. OK, he’s a lot slower on his feet these days but his voice is still incredibly powerful and the audience is still assured of a good show. The only downer was the price of merchandise at £22 for a T-shirt and £15 for a program, but that didn’t phase Roverthinksshe’srockchickbutisn’treally, as she must think that money grows on trees, but that’s another story.

PS yeh, I know the pic is sh!te, but hopefully it'll convince you all that I actually was there last night!!

[katinthehat]

Nice one RB.

I have tickets to see a few bands in November and December - so will post gig reviews after I see them.
Off to see......

Alice Cooper, Joan Jett & Motorhead

Thin Lizzy & Queensryche

and............. 6 days before my birthday.........

THUNDER!!!!!

Cant wait!!! Only taken me about 18yrs to get to see them!!!

Oh - and waiting to see if the rumours about Y&T touring in November are true too - as they may have to be added to the list!!!

[penfold93]

Oooh now there is a band I havent heard of for a while -but the Tygers are touring this year - details on their website -
link (http://www.tygers.co.uk/)

Mordred split in 1995, but reformed for a few dates in 2005. Still around - playing occassionally - check out the myspace link -
link (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=183266940)


Hope that helps!!!

Cheers for that