New Food Regulations

[WorsethanJPA]

To my fellow shineys,

I take it you all have read the new food regulations and yet again we are being conned!!!

Let me know your views.

[Boarderlyne]

To my fellow shineys,

I take it you all have read the new food regulations and yet again we are being conned!!!

Let me know your views.

Haven't heard a thing, but as I am in a multi-uniformed workplace on a certain sunny island, I am not surprised that I haven't heard a thing. Give us more gen and then we can bitch and moan with equal venom! :PDT_Xtremez_30:

[Humble Scribe]

I don't know what you're on about either! Are these the new(ish) regs under JPA or something completely different? Enlighten us WTJPA!

[CodeMonkey]

Sorry for posting here as i'm not a shiney but i take it you are refering to the loss of the 28days grace on abaited food charges.

[PSFbeatch]

they are getting rid off abated food charge and it will now be daily food charge..and there will be no more 30 days free for dets ... not reeally so bad I feel? It was bound to happn sooner or later

[True Blue Jack]

We've already covered this here (http://www.e-goat.co.uk/forums/search.php?searchid=307008).

[Boarderlyne]

We've already covered this here (http://www.e-goat.co.uk/forums/search.php?searchid=307008).

Nothing there when you click on the link TBJ.

But as to the main topic of the thread. Why should we be surprised as most of the other perks have already been taken off us as it is. I suppose that means that we married/living out people will also be expected to pay accom while on det even though we are still paying for our SFA and/or mortgage.

Yet another erosion of the way of life that the Forces used to be and moving towards a job. Obviously morale and service ethos counts for Eff all when it comes down to the bean-counters.

[True Blue Jack]

Nothing there when you click on the link TBJ.

Bu99er! It did work, I promise. It's supposed to point to a thread titled "Free Lunch? Not in the RAF"

[busby1971]

One good point for the singly livers in will be getting their Sunday Lunch refunded, as the 48 hour Stand Down Rule becomes 24 Hours. Just a quick throught though who's going to be doing all the standdown actions on JPA, I guess we'll just trust the individual otherwise a massive job for HR

[roverboy]

Sorry for posting here as i'm not a shiney but i take it you are refering to the loss of the 28days grace on abaited food charges.

Will this affect abated food charges for Married Unaccompanied livers-in?

[Humble Scribe]

Will this affect abated food charges for Married Unaccompanied livers-in?

Yes, as I understand it (now), there won't be a MUFC just a Food charge for ALL personnel.

[tommo9999]

That's correct, no more MUFC I'm told.

[True Blue Jack]

One good point for the singly livers in will be getting their Sunday Lunch refunded, as the 48 hour Stand Down Rule becomes 24 Hours. Just a quick throught though who's going to be doing all the standdown actions on JPA, I guess we'll just trust the individual otherwise a massive job for HR

I suspect it will be left to the individual to claim without any input from Unit HR. After all, as PAYD rolls out across the three Services it will become less and less of an issue.

[Mug?]

I believe the cut from 48 to 24hr to be able to claim does not come in till april next year. Why the delay?
The change from free food for livers out (not just married guys) when on a course is from 1st June / july?
I Think we should be entitled to claim subsistance when away though now so all levels out in the end?
If anyone sees the AFPRB dont forget to mention this to them! may be worth a bit more on top of LSA

[woollymouse]

Field conditions will still remain where necessary so I doubt there will be an extra bit of LSA for you.

[True Blue Jack]

I believe the cut from 48 to 24hr to be able to claim does not come in till april next year. Why the delay?
The change from free food for livers out (not just married guys) when on a course is from 1st June / july?
I Think we should be entitled to claim subsistance when away though now so all levels out in the end?
If anyone sees the AFPRB dont forget to mention this to them! may be worth a bit more on top of LSA

Where did you get that little gem from? If you're on a course at, e.g., Tossford then you will pay the food charge and all you will be able to claim is incidentals (newspapers, phone calls, laundry). I reckon this has come about because singlies complained that they had to pay food charges while the married guys didn't. The idea would have been to get free food for all people on courses, single or married. If that is the case, then it backfired royally.

[the silver glove]

I was talkin to an admin snec about this the other day and he reckoned that officers were still entitled to free food for the 30 days, and that they could also still get duty meals when at other units.

dunno if thats true, but if it is then it's a load of bollox, talk about one rule for us eh!

[True Blue Jack]

I was talkin to an admin snec about this the other day and he reckoned that officers were still entitled to free food for the 30 days, and that they could also still get duty meals when at other units.

dunno if thats true, but if it is then it's a load of bollox, talk about one rule for us eh!

I'll check it out on Monday, but I think the Snec is talking horlicks. Many of the changes to allowances/charges over the past 10 years have harmonised the differences between officers and airmen (disturbance allowance being a prime example).

[Mug?]

TBJ I'll check it out on Monday, but I think the Snec is talking horlicks. Many of the changes to allowances/charges over the past 10 years have harmonised the differences between officers and airmen (disturbance allowance being a prime example). (dont get me started on disturbance (£1600+ to mive into private a few weeks ago £1100 ish now....wheres the £500 gone?)

Back on topic.

1. If I go on a (civvie) course in LONDON, i have to buy my own meals and claim an allowance back.

2. If I go to a unit for a course/ detachment and its pay as you dine I have to buy my own food.
Same deal, except they are not having to pay for my accom.

3. If I go to a unit for a course/ detachment and they have traditional messing then I all of a sudden have to pay a daily food charge including weekends.

If I find myself in the last 2 situations I will want a reciept for my meal charges and I WILL claim it back...!!

I'm P!ssed off with all these changes to our terms and conditions being smuggled in the back door with little notice, explanation.

[Humble Scribe]

It's a very good point Mug and it will only get picked up if you're audited.

[True Blue Jack]

It's a very good point Mug and it will only get picked up if you're audited.

It's something many of the guys on my sqn have been doing for a while when in the USA on detachment. I haven't got around to checking the legality of it yet, but one of the "joys" of JPA is that you can claim and be paid almost anything you damn well please. If you get audited and it turns out you shouldn't have had it then you just claim that you misunderstood the regulations.

[airframe doctor]

Why not just treat it as your own type of "Pay As You Dine"???
Simply put in missed meal claims, once a week for everytime you didn't go to the mess? Thats what I'm going/hoping to do should I have to serve un-accompanied later this year. Bit of a ball-ache with all the extra admin entailed but at least you won't be out of pocket & this might highlight the situation to the "powers that be". I'm sure one of our regular admin bods will be able to enlighten us further on the legalities of this.

[Mug?]

Needs to be over 48 hrs at the minute I think. Changing to 24 Next year. They don't care whether you go or not. You are deemed to go if you are at work / on duty.
Remember the threat of being charged for not attending Breakfast at Swinderby

As I said before somewhere, if they make me buy a meal ticket thats fine, but taking it straight out my pay when on a course is wrong!

[True Blue Jack]

Why not just treat it as your own type of "Pay As You Dine"???
Simply put in missed meal claims, once a week for everytime you didn't go to the mess? Thats what I'm going/hoping to do should I have to serve un-accompanied later this year. Bit of a ball-ache with all the extra admin entailed but at least you won't be out of pocket & this might highlight the situation to the "powers that be". I'm sure one of our regular admin bods will be able to enlighten us further on the legalities of this.

The rates for missed meal payments are as follows:

Breakfast - £0.64
Main meal - £2.14
Third meal - £1.49

The total claimable for missed meals for any given day is therefore £4.27 which is more than the standard food charge (17.5% more to be exact, because of VAT). HM Revenue & Customs would therefore be better placed to advise you on the legality of your proposal.

[airframe doctor]

The rates for missed meal payments are as follows:

Breakfast - £0.64
Main meal - £2.14
Third meal - £1.49

The total claimable for missed meals for any given day is therefore £4.27 which is more than the standard food charge (17.5% more to be exact, because of VAT). HM Revenue & Customs would therefore be better placed to advise you on the legality of your proposal.


Obviously that poses a slight problem with my plan.

Having been informed by my soon to be new civvie boss that only 30 mins lunch break is allowed (10 mins getting changed/transit to mess each way and obviously only 10 mins to eat lunch) & that with excellent T-Bar facilities available at cost to the individuals, its a fantastic place to work:PDT_Xtremez_34: I think I will have no choice but to claim for at least 1 missed meal per day, possibly evening meal too, as being a responsible mature married man:PDT_Xtremez_15: , I take it I can still make the decision as to when I am hungry & where & what I wish to eat, even though my missus won't be there to tell me!!!

Prehaps its time the RAF introduced a scheme where individuals had the facility to opt out of food charges at non PAYD camps. Policing this can't be that hard as I presume spot checks are still carried out at the majority of RAF messes???

[True Blue Jack]

Having been informed by my soon to be new civvie boss that only 30 mins lunch break is allowed (10 mins getting changed/transit to mess each way and obviously only 10 mins to eat lunch)

Ouch. Not sure where you are but doesn't that contravene station standing orders? If he can do that legally, then in your place I would fail my fitness test at the earliest opportunity so that I could "go to the gym" during work time. In the meantime, you don't really have much choice but to claim a missed meal payment for lunch. £1.49 per day x 210 average work days per year = £312.90 per serviceman per year for missed meals. Could make a dent in your boss's travel & subsistence budget! Of course, I've just realised that you could get a butty box from the mess each morning, so that probably negates that.


being a responsible mature married man:PDT_Xtremez_15: , I take it I can still make the decision as to when I am hungry & where & what I wish to eat, even though my missus won't be there to tell me!!!

It's one of my "favourite" military anachronisms. Junior Ranks get hungry earlier in the evening than officers. The number of times I skipped dinner in my singly days 'cos I'm just not hungry at 5 o'clock doesn't bear thinking about.

[airframe doctor]

Ouch. Not sure where you are but doesn't that contravene station standing orders? If he can do that legally, then in your place I would fail my fitness test at the earliest opportunity so that I could "go to the gym" during work time. In the meantime, you don't really have much choice but to claim a missed meal payment for lunch. £1.49 per day x 210 average work days per year = £312.90 per serviceman per year for missed meals. Could make a dent in your boss's travel & subsistence budget! Of course, I've just realised that you could get a butty box from the mess each morning, so that probably negates that.




It's one of my "favourite" military anachronisms. Junior Ranks get hungry earlier in the evening than officers. The number of times I skipped dinner in my singly days 'cos I'm just not hungry at 5 o'clock doesn't bear thinking about.

Off Topic Can't name the exact location, but its 2nd Line A/C maint with BAE managment, so they probably laugh in the face of SSO's (newly established due to budget contraints/deals) and its not far from Kings Lynn. Apparently the new regime isn't too happy about the 2 X 50 mins PT sessions either as its "counter productive" with regards to contractual agreements. As for getting a butty box I'd rather have the option, after all I joined the RAF not BAE so as far as I'm concerned they can go "**** themselves"::/: !!!Off Topic

Cheers for the info TBJ, I can't wait to see the outcome.....I just hope someone will see sense, but I very much doubt it!!!!:PDT_Xtremez_42:

[Joe_90]

The Junior Rank meal times have always gripped my sh1t as well TBJ. Why are airmen supposed to get up at the weekend for breakfast at a normal time while the ossifers lie around in bed most of the morning tossing off and then go off and have a rather nice brunch?

[Realist78]

The Junior Rank meal times have always gripped my sh1t as well TBJ. Why are airmen supposed to get up at the weekend for breakfast at a normal time while the ossifers lie around in bed most of the morning tossing off and then go off and have a rather nice brunch?

Hard lesson to learn but, this company is run by officers for officers. As soon as this lesson is learnt, it all becomes clear.:PDT_Xtremez_30:

[Joe_90]

Yeah, it was about 18 months ago it really hit me, still, I live to whinge.