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On shift last night.
Walked in to find I'm the only NCO on all 4 trade desks. 2 fairy SAC's, 2 rigger SAC's, a lecky SAC and a 5 sootie SACS.
A total ****ing joke. 6 aircraft on the program and not a legal peace of fooking work done all night. Still, at least we made the program eh ......who gives a **** about legalities eh? I stamped my ferkin feet and was told to get on with it.....looks like its 18 months and out with my pension for definate. I can't stand this w@nk any longer.
We spend all our time fixing the daisy aircraft too. They leave behind a folder of work for us to do when those tossers should be doing nights and working weekends if they don't complete their work but for some reason they have the luxury of a squadron they are here to support to do all the work for them.
Rant over.......heres to 18 months, it can't go soon enough.
MrMasher
17-01-2007, 03:45
Having a turd time here as well mate.
Went in last night and there were 2 fairy/lecky Cpl's and me as the only heavy Cpl. had a JT and SAC with shed loads of work on. We has 6 sncos in!!!! 3 of em heavies!!!!
Sick of running round like a tw*t when we have sncos here who prefer to sit at the desk. Could do with a hand to be honest with supervising and the work itself.
So much ferkin work. The cabs are due service and falling apart. The one that the civvies have churned out is a bag of sh*t. Any of the other flights have a sack of crap it gets sent to us to fix. We arent the shed and we havent got the manpower to do it! We have lost 2 heavy SAC's this week to do a rebuild. Heavies are by far the busiest trade!!
Oh, theres also a lean event going on. Ha ha ha ha ha.
Ring fenced here as well so no escape!
Hurry up with some more redundancies pleeeeeeeeeease!!!!!!!
Done the LEAN about 18 months ago mate. I sympathise. This SNCO has had his fill mate. Theres quite a few lazy arsed prick SNECS about mate who are still living in the cold war era who think its okay to kick back and watch telly all day and night instead of being productive. They should have made those cocks redundant and kept all the good lads but thats unfair to the lads who got it.
MrMasher
17-01-2007, 04:07
I've been involved in lean before. Ran an event in 2003. Enjoyed it to be honest. I am pig headed enough to steam roller the consultants and ass licking wing commanders into my way of thinking and therefore leaned the place to suit us!
As for the snco issue. Way too many. The least number in rank on my shift any given day/night is always going to be Cpls. It means we HAVE to do the work and cant supervise and guide properly as we are supposed to.
One day after an error when the witch hunt gets someone they'll hopefully turn around and say "human factors sir"
Hey Wobbly least they can spare a heavy corporal (before anyone says anything you can all feck off with the funnies) for his 2nd guard in 4 months, you obviously don't need one there mate:PDT_Xtremez_25:
I just wish that it were a unique story you tell there wobbly, or just confined to one type...As I am sure we all do, I hear similar stories across many trades and stations, it is just not funny anymore...Are you going to PVR then? It is one of the many reasons that I decided to leave.
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uber pikey
17-01-2007, 09:02
Wobbly all I can say is that I used to work on a shift until recently and it was the same $hit from the other shifts all the time.
I will be out of this post in 3 months and I am going to try my hardest to get back on my old shift. The broblems are still the same as it was when I left, yet I would gladdly go back any day, because that shift was awsome.
I know how you feel mate.
Wobbly all I can say is that I used to work on a shift until recently and it was the same $hit from the other shifts all the time.
I will be out of this post in 3 months and I am going to try my hardest to get back on my old shift. The broblems are still the same as it was when I left, yet I would gladdly go back any day, because that shift was awsome.
I know how you feel mate.
The problem is mate they want cpls who can spell you feckwit!
Billy Whizz
17-01-2007, 09:07
I see nothings changed on Shift then Wobbly!!!
Thank fcuk I'm working next door now but can see the mighty Fat Albert World falling apart - least I'm not getting all the sh1t the shifts get!
How long before someone says - "I told you so!!"
Will be a shame to see you leave mate!
I see nothings changed on Shift then Wobbly!!!
Thank fcuk I'm working next door now but can see the mighty Fat Albert World falling apart - least I'm not getting all the sh1t the shifts get!
How long before someone says - "I told you so!!"
Will be a shame to see you leave mate!
I'll second that Billy, just shows what a crock of sh1te the jobs becoming when we're losing people of the quality of Bitburger and Wobbly simply because they can no longer stand the mess that is being made of the Air Force!
uber pikey
17-01-2007, 10:18
The problem is mate they want cpls who can spell you feckwit!
I can spell feckwit you feckin fecwittOff Topic
TheHogwartsBEngO
17-01-2007, 10:29
Isn't it funny how the good ones leave ('cos they know they'll land a good job) and the weaker individuals stay - treading water until pension time?
Some days I ache to be back in uniform -others I'm glad to have left. Mostly ambivolent.
mad_collie
17-01-2007, 10:38
Isn't it funny how the good ones leave ('cos they know they'll land a good job) and the weaker individuals stay - treading water until pension time?
Some days I ache to be back in uniform -others I'm glad to have left. Mostly ambivolent.
Weaker individuals stay? Fcuk me Bengo, if those of us who are around the 20 year point could walk away tomorrow, I think most of us would.
I will not give the RAF the satisfaction of p1ssing me off to such a point that I have to walk away from the gratuity & pension.
Tin basher
17-01-2007, 10:49
I just wish that it were a unique story you tell there wobbly, or just confined to one type...As I am sure we all do, I hear similar stories across many trades and stations,
Walked into night shift to find that the rigger contingent consisted of 2 CPL's of which I was one and a SNEC. Tonights task a double main leg change we all set to with the dismantle undersigning and oversigning all over the place but trying to keep some form of legallity about the paperwork a vain hope. The SNEC quite rightly stepped back a little on the rebuild put still pitched in when he could . Indies Pah not in the book sense of the word. Leckys did their bit and job done for morning so the daisies could have the jet back. Legal not even close, thank god nothing happened to the jet cos the board of enquiry would have had field day. Oh yes nearly forgot the date this sh!t was going on 1988 yep that long ago.
Hope the next 18 months pass smoothly for you Wobbly.
Hogwarts whilst I agree with your sentiments some of the good guys do see it through to the end in the hope they might make a difference. But there are those who hang around for the pension cos they are stuck in the pension trap. Who will walk away and lose the pension not many after 17/18 years
TheHogwartsBEngO
17-01-2007, 11:12
Weaker individuals stay? Fcuk me Bengo, if those of us who are around the 20 year point could walk away tomorrow, I think most of us would.
I will not give the RAF the satisfaction of p1ssing me off to such a point that I have to walk away from the gratuity & pension.
I probably put it very badly - sorry.
It does seem the pension trap is one of the few things prenting a major retention crisis.
Then again, my only window on the RAF these days is the Goat - and that can be a little biased.
Realist78
17-01-2007, 12:37
I made possibly the worst decision 3 years ago by signing up to the new pension scheme., thinking I have a chance to make a difference. The way we are accelerating into doom, I am doing the number crunching and seeing what's out there. The b@stards have changed the Air Force that I joined but I can accept that; progress and changing times etc. What I can't accept is the total lack of support from this fecking goverment and the way they are destroying the Armed Forces with their cost cutting attitude, stick lean up yer @rse, I don't build fecking Toyotas. Also, I wish they'd stop picking a fight with all and sundry and take a long, hard look at the homeland! Will they change tack before it falls to a crock of sh1t? I doubt it!:PDT_Xtremez_25:
Major Geek
17-01-2007, 12:53
Isn't it funny how the good ones leave ('cos they know they'll land a good job) and the weaker individuals stay - treading water until pension time?
Some days I ache to be back in uniform -others I'm glad to have left. Mostly ambivolent.
To quote you on another thread -
" And just to put the record straight - I didn't leave through choice - my 6 year Short-Service Commission ran out just at the time that PMA decided they weren't extending commssions ...despite my loyalty, dedication and burning desire to stay in."
Make your mind up Bengo!
Having a couple of years to do before leaving with a wad and immediate pension seems sensible to me rather than week. And I know I am capable of getting a good job when I leave, so yes I think you need to re-phrase it a bit.
TheHogwartsBEngO
17-01-2007, 12:58
To quote you on another thread -
" And just to put the record straight - I didn't leave through choice - my 6 year Short-Service Commission ran out just at the time that PMA decided they weren't extending commssions ...despite my loyalty, dedication and burning desire to stay in."
Make your mind up Bengo!
exactly - I can't decide whether I want to be back in or if I'm better off out. My mind changes daily.
...but enough of my personal demons.
MrMasher
17-01-2007, 13:11
I probably put it very badly - sorry.
It does seem the pension trap is one of the few things prenting a major retention crisis.
Then again, my only window on the RAF these days is the Goat - and that can be a little biased.
Phew............steps back from a rant.............that was close!
Disillusioned
17-01-2007, 13:21
The thing is, and it's not a dig at Wobbly or anyone else because I suspect we've all been guilty of it at one point or another but we're our own worst enemy and we know it. It's that bloody can do attitude of ours.
Time to start saying no, what are they going to do when you've already told them you're leaving?
Realist78
17-01-2007, 13:35
The thing is, and it's not a dig at Wobbly or anyone else because I suspect we've all been guilty of it at one point or another but we're our own worst enemy and we know it. It's that bloody can do attitude of ours.
Time to start saying no, what are they going to do when you've already told them you're leaving?
Fair point(ish), but isn't the can-do attitude what makes us tick? However, I agree that saying no seems to be the only way of highlighting the dire situation we are in. Increasingly though, the hierarchy don't bat an eyelid when you have a rant and tell some home truths, mainly because they have no defence (and neither shall the UK if it carries on!)::/:
pie sandwich
17-01-2007, 15:11
I am on the same shift as wobbly and it's not the can do attitude that left team fairy without any NCO's on the desk just 2 SAC's neither with a self supp auth and 1 who has done a Q cse for a shift. we had to get the rects cont to over sign the work.
Our man power was 1 snco 1 sac on a q cse 1 snco on ssgf 2 jnco's 1 sac ooa and 1 jnco on leave (does'nt like to work the weekend)
And not a single piece of legal work done all night, thats progress for you
sausage2
17-01-2007, 15:17
When I mentioned to the upper management the chronic shortage of manpower, I was told in no uncertain terms, that there was not a manpower problem, and we were in fact overbourne. The problem apparenty is caused by the shift and trade management, not correctly controlling their assets.
So basically Wobbly as far as they are concerned, it's your fault!!!
dodgysootie
17-01-2007, 15:43
Same situation up hear as well, this week on the sooty desk there is me(Snco) and 2 SAC's, We've had major rects to contend with, including loads of EGR's which means having to "borrow" bods for safety men etc, as well as being expected to carry out refuels etc for the flypro and train up AMMs. Illegal paperwork FFS. I'm with you Wobbly, 18 months notice going in in May, If Jpa will let me do that whilst OOA (again)!! Defo out though Nov 08. (22years). My can do attitude is going work for me for a change, as I CAN tell them to ram LOS 30 and get out as soon as possible without losing my pension etc.
DS
Weaker individuals stay? Fcuk me Bengo, if those of us who are around the 20 year point could walk away tomorrow, I think most of us would.
I will not give the RAF the satisfaction of p1ssing me off to such a point that I have to walk away from the gratuity & pension.
Hence why its an 18 month wait minimum.....pension trap!!!
And S2, your right mate, Im at fault............bugger!!!
Tashy_Man
17-01-2007, 18:05
And not a single piece of legal work done all night, thats progress for you
If you can't complete the paperwork legally then obviously all the work was illegal and you (or the rects controller) should not have got you to carry it out. If no suitable superviser was/is available then just refuse to carry out the job....NO boss can order you to carry out illegal work......they may get the idea eventually.
Crack on...........:PDT_Xtremez_09:
Once upon a time the British Armed forces were the best in the world. Every foreign government would have sold their own grandmother to have such a professional outfit under their command and I would say the majority of them would have looked after them. I have always since a young snapper wanted to be in the RAF. I didn't want any other job in the world and I shudder to think what I would be doing now if I hadn't got the job. I have always been a man to do the job properly, put overtime in without a blink of an eyelid, go on dets, aircraft recovery teams, OOA's, Guard, Secondary duties, and much more......all at the expense of my personal life. It suddenly dawned on me after the last 3 shifts that I no longer want to "give" to this job my commitment and professionalism as I am now expected to break every law in the book just to make the system and cutbacks work.
I am expected to send unsupervised lads out to work without checking any of their work. I'm also expected to carry out independents when I have actually supervised the task. I put my foot down finally last night and being the only supervisor in I refused to let lads work on their own. I took my 4 sooties to each task as a team so they could be legally supervised when working 15 foot off the ground in 40 knot winds. I will no longer BEND the rules to make the flying program. If their isn't enough manpower to get the job legally done then the fooker stays on the ground. I am sick and tired of my professionalism being dragged into illegal practices which seem to have been made the de facto standard across the RAF. This expected "breach" of work practices is now the norm and for it you can expect the nice little pat on the back for your 6000. However, I would rather eat my own ****e than be promoted for allowing this illegal fiasco to continue.
Can Do Attitude will be the death of someone and when that smoking hole in the ground happens (And it will) I will have nothing to do with it........hopefully.
gemarriott
17-01-2007, 18:22
Wobbly,
AMEN to that mate,
GOOD ON YER!
TheHogwartsBEngO
17-01-2007, 18:33
I just hope someone listens Wobbly.
I wish I could say it's not like it in the civvy world :PDT_Xtremez_06:
Wobbly for what it's worth mate you've got my whole hearted support, I for one will not be in the slightest bit worried about saying no.
I've no doubt the boys on shift feel the same as well.
Tashy_Man
17-01-2007, 18:40
Well said Wobbly....think you said it slightly better than what i put, but basically it's the same message.
NO MANPOWER = NO WORK...simple
Crack on.......:PDT_Xtremez_09:
Mr Fix it
17-01-2007, 19:07
Welldone Wobbly - Its about time people started standing up to the "system". You should have never been put in this situation and if more people join in to playing their game eventullaly things will have to get better as the program will never be meet without an increase in manpower. Officers have to make "improvements/cost savings" to progress and most are only looking after their career path, it is all driven from the Air ranks down.
The can do attitude will be our downfall because the higher management will always exploit that, I am as guilty of it as anyone of you out there is. All this requires is for the supervisors (senior and junior) to play by the rules, the JAP is there to help you as well as hang you! You have to draw the line somewhere and as you said, you do not have to obey illegal orders, therefore servicing aircraft without correct supervision is illegal.
Only problem is if you stand up to them and you think you had a career before, the officer corp will make it difficult for you in your F6000, but remember you can redress the Bar-stewards!!!!!!!!!!
Gotta agree. Any BOI would have no hesitation in nailing balls to walls if 'correct procedures' were not followed following an (probably avoidable) accident. We are a 'can do' bunch but, before long, that will be some of our downfalls. WTG Wobbles..
Once upon a time the British Armed forces were the best in the world. Every foreign government would have sold their own grandmother to have such a professional outfit under their command and I would say the majority of them would have looked after them. I have always since a young snapper wanted to be in the RAF. I didn't want any other job in the world and I shudder to think what I would be doing now if I hadn't got the job. I have always been a man to do the job properly, put overtime in without a blink of an eyelid, go on dets, aircraft recovery teams, OOA's, Guard, Secondary duties, and much more......all at the expense of my personal life. It suddenly dawned on me after the last 3 shifts that I no longer want to "give" to this job my commitment and professionalism as I am now expected to break every law in the book just to make the system and cutbacks work.
I am expected to send unsupervised lads out to work without checking any of their work. I'm also expected to carry out independents when I have actually supervised the task. I put my foot down finally last night and being the only supervisor in I refused to let lads work on their own. I took my 4 sooties to each task as a team so they could be legally supervised when working 15 foot off the ground in 40 knot winds. I will no longer BEND the rules to make the flying program. If their isn't enough manpower to get the job legally done then the fooker stays on the ground. I am sick and tired of my professionalism being dragged into illegal practices which seem to have been made the de facto standard across the RAF. This expected "breach" of work practices is now the norm and for it you can expect the nice little pat on the back for your 6000. However, I would rather eat my own ****e than be promoted for allowing this illegal fiasco to continue.
Can Do Attitude will be the death of someone and when that smoking hole in the ground happens (And it will) I will have nothing to do with it........hopefully.
Post of the year Wobbly.
K9 FORNICATOR
17-01-2007, 20:28
Loads and loads of good points on this thread, nevertheless in my somewhat limited experience we as engineers have been our own worse enemies! For years and years we have been operating on a "Can Do! Basis." Nobody wishes to appear to "buck the trend" and fail to reach the intended goal.
Less than ideal resources available, very little gratitude and all to maintain the status quo, get reasonable assessments, get promoted and subsequently change the world but the majority of personnel with the clout to listen to you and change things are too busy feathuring their own nests! DO NOT put this down to cynisism as it is fact!
I am in a similar engineering environment as 'Wobbly' and witness on a regular basis personnel 'touting' for signatures on engineering paperwork. Everyone has done it myself included. Remember next time there is a manning review and manpower gets cut further....Each time a signature has been touted for, those individuals concerned have nothing to bleat about as it was them that shot themselves in the foot! Get on with it (and get on with it correctly!) or get out! But do it quietly!
I don't want to be too specific on this but here we go:
A few years ago an up and coming new SATCO decided that he didn't have enough trained controllers to man the tower for the flying commitment he was presented with. He decided to do the brave thing and shout about it. He instigated a "Flying Window" 12 hrs a day for the jets. He was a good boss, well liked. We all knew that he was going places quickly, and was touted to be promoted after that tour. He dug his heels in. He made a stand.
He was last heard of as a bit part actor having left the RAF in the same rank.
Vim_Fuego
17-01-2007, 21:16
Years ago when I was a techie I was involved in two BOI's...This was not a reflection on my crapness as I was cleared both times!!!
I learnt something from going through these to be honest quite terrifying ordeals and that is that if you frig the system this is the time and place where your nice, comfortable and reasonably well paid career can come to an end...
The board members were utterley humorless and had the relevent AP's out on the table in front of them or on their laps open at the page in question...If I or any of the other accused said one thing that deviated outside of what they were reading they would note it and without remorse use it against us...
What I'm trying to say was that luckily for me and my colleagues both times there were extraneous circumstances that were enough of a factor to get us off the hook and I tell you we were bloody lucky...If you continue to work illegally then one day...and it could be tonight...you'll get caught out and you'll see how fast your heirarchy put up the sh*t umberellas and not look you in the eye ever again...I can't imagine what pressure they are using on you to work like this but believe me it's nothing to having to go through one of those boards...If you've PVR/NGR'd or have just decided to come out then give yourselves a break and just say no...Speaking from the aircrew point of view none of us would want you to work illegally either so it must just be your bosses...
Hu Jardon
17-01-2007, 21:40
Top Posts by Wobbly and everyone who has backed him up. Also what Vim says is absolutely correct - come the subsequent board of enquiry (and I can assure you I seen a few from a number of different positions) your esteemed leaners (no thats not a typo) will deny all knowledge of "coercing" you into "bending" the rules. If you've genuinely decided enough is enough then just say no - don't put your neck, or someone elses, on the line for the sake of a weak manager.
And people might laugh at this piece of advice but if your boss is ignoring any warning you are giving about engineering integrity then go and see the Padre and tell him you're concerned about safety.
Hu
Realist78
17-01-2007, 21:49
Wobbly, the b@stards that have put you in this position deserve your contempt. They don't merit your efforts or integrity. WTF has it come to when this situation has been allowed to arise? I certainly would not expect my guys to cross that line and end up in BOI territory. Definitely time to say NO.
Almost_done
17-01-2007, 22:04
*climb onto soapbox*
I have the same attitude as Wobbly, and I have been asked in the past (as a lowly Cpl ) after declaring a bit of kit u/s, can you look at it again, or are you sure, stock answer was "well if you look at the book and the limits there, it's out, do you want to sign the card as it's servicable?". Needless to say I have not made many friends up the chain in the RAF with my attitude, however I have always looked out for my guys, if ever a mistake was made , I was the supervisor, the fault was mine.
So many Bosses are unhinged when you and the troop/s are on the carpet getting ready for the bollocking and you say, "I was supervising and ultimately, I am responsible."
I only ever carry the can if the guys have done it by the book, they also know this.
Still gets the job done, may be slower, it's 100% safer, in the UK we have no excuse for working illegally, believe it or not the rules are there to make sure we, the Pax, the cargo, the people on the ground and the aircrew are safe, so look out for No1 and the rest as you go along, the management won't like it, you'll get respect from the guys, possibly from the Aircrew too, as it's their asses we are saving in the long run. If the Eng Bosses can't see this then they need to reappraise what our tasks are and how we are to complete them.
If we oldies, show the new lads the gash ways all the time, that's what they will do all the time, period. Today we cannot afford that to happen, as we will be left hung out to dry.......'self induced pressure' or 'working outside the safe working limits as laid down in AP blah!' will be thrown in your face by your JENGO, no matter what fantastic work you have done for him in the past. He will be looking out for his next step up the ladder, it's a dog eat dog world in his world and the don't like anything to sully their records. I may seem harsh in saying this if any JENGOs are reading this, but, to be honest you will do your best, but at the end of the day your career is more important to you than going out on that far limb for the troop who has cocked up according to the book, regardless of the 'Human Factors'.
Oh well, thats me in the poo again. My message is 'just do it properly, by the procedure, if you can't don't do it till you have all you need', they may moan, shout, strop at you even threaten the assessments (if they do and then the do assasinate you well you have the right of redress). At the endand the beginning of the day I have to look at myself in the mirror, I still like the person I see there, I can still live with that person, when I can't I am in the poo.
*Steps off soapbox*
Waits for incoming
airframe doctor
17-01-2007, 22:46
I agree with you totally Wobbly its the same situation here in Tonkaland.
Too many pricks who are a waste of oxygen pulling the strings & SNEC's who think they are above even supervising a task.
With all the scrotes that are joining up unwilling to learn, take on advice and sometimes even think for themselves I believe the old style/days are long gone and highly/probably unlikely to ever return.
Lack of manpower and supervisors and much needed quality spares are all adding up to either a complete mental & physical burn out of the willing guys still serving or several catastophic accidents in a short space of time.
It is time to say enoughs enough and NO!!!
I too am just waiting for the day when I get my gratuity and pension details.
The thing is, and it's not a dig at Wobbly or anyone else because I suspect we've all been guilty of it at one point or another but we're our own worst enemy and we know it. It's that bloody can do attitude of ours.
Time to start saying no, what are they going to do when you've already told them you're leaving?
Best quote I have read on here so far mate..!!!!!!!!!.....can do......!!.....the 'working the weekend' weapon always comes out too doesnt it !! At least when we bust our balls for the corps...our management sew them back on.....so we can bust em some more !!
Nice to read that its not just the illustrious swing wing arrows of death sqns that are flying on lies !!! Give us the tools we needed and we probably wouldnt know how to operate as effectively!!!!!!
Its quite amazing that we have not had a single person who is amazed this is happening. From just this thread alone we see the same things happening in Wokka, Fat Albert and Tonka world. Scary!!!
Browns book will be out soon. "How to run the armed forces on a shoestring" To$$er!!!
Wobbly it's been a shoestring airfoce for years mate.
First they took away our overseas (Germany) postings, then our spares, then our second line facilities and now the manpower.
LEAN?????
My arrisss, it will never work, we just need to prove it. Unfortunately however, the purse strings are controlled by the treasury and lean was IMHO just a way of trying to make things work with less money. The 'less money' was already going to happen, sod all any of us could do about it, so we only have the government to blame. And the sooner they see the 'great' British armed forces going to rack and ruin the better, cos it will have been their fault, not ours.
MrMasher
18-01-2007, 01:14
Its quite amazing that we have not had a single person who is amazed this is happening. From just this thread alone we see the same things happening in Wokka, Fat Albert and Tonka world. Scary!!!
Browns book will be out soon. "How to run the armed forces on a shoestring" To$$er!!!
Also seen in Harrier land and Sea King world..............
Just to go back to the point someone made about hunting for undersigs and oversigs. That has been the norm since i joined up 15 years ago. Only problem now is that I sign in the right hand column!
I am sick of going to work these days because I know that at some point I'll start moaning and whinging about something and I hate myself for doing it as well. How the hell are we supposed to mentor and encourage the fresh breed?
I keep saying its got to get better somewhere along the line, but will it? Really?
It happens everywhere i've been, you are right wobbly all this illegal practices should stop right throughout the raf. F*ck the growbags they always seem to get what they want and all we get is the sh*tty end of the stick and putting our own livelyhoods on the line for them.
Could this be the start of a "UN*ON":PDT_Xtremez_42: of sorts, a work to rule for our own sakes and in the hopes a growbag doesnt become a hole in the ground.
MingMong
18-01-2007, 03:31
Our man power was 1 snco 1 sac on a q cse 1 snco on ssgf 2 jnco's 1 sac ooa and 1 jnco on leave (does'nt like to work the weekend)
Oi!
Don't forget your poor old 1xSNCO OOA.....
I feel so forgotten now :(
Oi!
Don't forget your poor old 1xSNCO OOA.....
I feel so forgotten now :(
Who the feck are you?
Also seen in Harrier land and Sea King world..............
Just to go back to the point someone made about hunting for undersigs and oversigs. That has been the norm since i joined up 15 years ago. Only problem now is that I sign in the right hand column!
I am sick of going to work these days because I know that at some point I'll start moaning and whinging about something and I hate myself for doing it as well. How the hell are we supposed to mentor and encourage the fresh breed?
I keep saying its got to get better somewhere along the line, but will it? Really?
I do the same thing, and I too have turned into a whinging old fart who whinges because I'm totally frustrated and fecked off with the way things are going and know that no matter what I do it won't change a damn thing. Money is what its all about. Iv'e got an idea.......lets give all the money to immigrants and foreign aid and let people who are paying for all this go to hell. Labour policy.......a bunch of dickheads in charge? You bet.
K9 FORNICATOR
18-01-2007, 09:33
I do the same thing, and I too have turned into a whinging old fart who whinges because I'm totally frustrated and fecked off with the way things are going and know that no matter what I do it won't change a damn thing. Money is what its all about. Iv'e got an idea.......lets give all the money to immigrants and foreign aid and let people who are paying for all this go to hell. Labour policy.......a bunch of dickheads in charge? You bet.
Greetings Wobbly me old mucka from "Bargain Bucket Airways"
I agree totally with your last post. With regards to the latter part aren't we doing that already? Alternatively we could spend absolutely millions on a camp refurbishment or two and then close it or give it willingly to the Army. I too have a potential solution to your dilemma that would greatly increase your enjoyment whilst at work. I tried it and it works!
Firstly find an aerosol of some descript, it must be highly flammable, a reliable lighter is required preferrably a zippo, then trawl the work place looking for unsuspecting individuals to try your new invention out on. The day positively flies by and you drive home with a large grin on your face and can't wait for the ensuing day! :PDT_Xtremez_42:
Realist78
18-01-2007, 13:10
Its quite amazing that we have not had a single person who is amazed this is happening. From just this thread alone we see the same things happening in Wokka, Fat Albert and Tonka world. Scary!!!
Browns book will be out soon. "How to run the armed forces on a shoestring" To$$er!!!
I'm afraid the shoestring went after the VSA on footwear!
Jokes aside, it's perhaps comforting in a perverse sort of way that the same problems appears to be Service-wide and not restricted to one Base/Sqn/Shift etc.
our place is falling apart aswell just got rid of 1/4 of the manpower now they want to split us to 4 shifts and get another jet aswell as all the other sh1te that go's on
the meltdowns under way, run whilst you still can
fugmeister general
22-01-2007, 16:09
its amazing that all the bleating and whinging that people do at work everyday falls on deaf ears. the manpower situation aint going to get anybetter and here at the fat albert camp we alone are going to loose an extra 130 people that are in overborn post due to EFA. that still harp on about 24/7 how the hell do they think we will manage when we only just meet the flying programme now, decision like these I sh1t them everyday. i believe it is the to$$ers that control us ie the bosses of the sections, flt lt & above all they see is there career caption and how I can make myself look good when appraisal time comes around. i beleive that they need to go down the range so the boys could do some target practice for all the bad decisions and waste of time things they have us do.
it would not be right just to slag them off !!!! how about the stores system you order a bit and low and behold its an inability item !!!! but hold on the moment you go state on the item they magic one up out of there arse and it lands on your desk. always amazes me how and why this happens maybe they are related to the dark side. i just wish this was not the case and the world was all rosey but it aint and i agree there with wobbly that the time will come when the good lads that are coming upto pension age will leave and then lets see what is written on here, i think it will be a lot worse than now thats for sure.
It gets better.
Today we have the powers that be say that we not only have to carry out the cross dressing IP before we go on MSAT we now have NO choice but to become self supervised. They are push push push without realising that we cannot spare people to carry out OJT as that would double the time it took to carry out the job.
Why is it that these tw@ts cannot implement things one at a time? They always seem to invent extra sh!t to pile onto us as its obvious we have nothing better to do.
So now they expect us to self supervise (I already am mind) ourselves, work two trade desks, write twice the amount of 6000's (approx 16) due to no other NCO's available due to cut backs, without the luxury of the old SNCO extra leave entitlement. Great!!!
Living the dream, living the dream :PDT_Xtremez_42:
[/Whingemodeoff].
MadMouse
22-01-2007, 17:15
I've been out of trade for a while now (pre-JAP, and a fairy), but can't you still refuse to self-supervise? Just having the Q doesn't mean it HAS to be used. (and what can they do - fire you?)
CodeMonkey
22-01-2007, 17:22
It gets better.
Today we have the powers that be say that we not only have to carry out the cross dressing IP before we go on MSAT we now have NO choice but to become self supervised. They are push push push without realising that we cannot spare people to carry out OJT as that would double the time it took to carry out the job.
Why is it that these tw@ts cannot implement things one at a time? They always seem to invent extra sh!t to pile onto us as its obvious we have nothing better to do.
So now they expect us to self supervise (I already am mind) ourselves, work two trade desks, write twice the amount of 6000's (approx 16) due to no other NCO's available due to cut backs, without the luxury of the old SNCO extra leave entitlement. Great!!!
Living the dream, living the dream :PDT_Xtremez_42:
[/Whingemodeoff].
There used to be a get out clause in self sup, used to be a imited self sup as a mech in the bay, the only reference i can find now is in the jap100a-01 chap 4.5.
Didn't think they could force you to be a self sup.
Scaley brat
22-01-2007, 17:27
Why is it that these tw@ts cannot implement things one at a time? They always seem to invent extra sh!t to pile onto us as its obvious we have nothing better to do.
The cynical side of me says because if they don't they might not get noticed, miss out on the next prime posting/step up the ladder. ::/:
The more reasonable side of me agrees :PDT_Xtremez_31:
MattBombHead
22-01-2007, 17:41
It gets better.
we now have NO choice but to become self supervised. [/Whingemodeoff].
Don't you have to agree to carry out a task as a SS? ie, at the end of a 12 hr night shift, you aren't going to want to/ feel capable of carrying out as a SS a very complicated task, are you?
I think Zammo (http://www.grangehillfans.co.uk/schoolreport/zammomaguire.php) said it best, "just say no"
MrMasher
22-01-2007, 18:49
A self supervision task should be given by your line manager. You can refuse as well. And you could also refuse on the grounds of H&S if you are eloquent enough to put into those type of terms (I would imagine so being a SNCO!)
If you are your own line manager, dont task yourself!!
Sounds like the latest buzz-words of human factors might be useful too!!
Whats MSAT by the way?
MattBombHead
22-01-2007, 18:52
Whats MSAT by the way?
Multi Skilling Assimilation Training (i think)
Realist78
22-01-2007, 19:01
It gets better.
Today we have the powers that be say that we not only have to carry out the cross dressing IP before we go on MSAT we now have NO choice but to become self supervised. They are push push push without realising that we cannot spare people to carry out OJT as that would double the time it took to carry out the job.
Why is it that these tw@ts cannot implement things one at a time? They always seem to invent extra sh!t to pile onto us as its obvious we have nothing better to do.
So now they expect us to self supervise (I already am mind) ourselves, work two trade desks, write twice the amount of 6000's (approx 16) due to no other NCO's available due to cut backs, without the luxury of the old SNCO extra leave entitlement. Great!!!
Living the dream, living the dream :PDT_Xtremez_42:
[/Whingemodeoff].
Did anyone notice when the hierarchy (of wherever you work) went off on a Borg assimilation course? Everyone seems to be saying exactly the same on whatever camp you happen to be (mis)employed on. I personally don't mind if SNCOs take 12 duvet days a year (to do 6000s etc), it redresses the balance that we lost.:PDT_Xtremez_28:
MrMasher
22-01-2007, 19:02
Of course........duh!!
So how do you carry out the IP before you do the course??
Sounds a bit arsed about face to me.
I didnt get my IP package until I had done the cross dressing course.
Thats how you are supposed to prove how you put into practice the theory you have learnt beforehand.
Tell em to shove it up their rickers!!!!!!!!!:PDT_Xtremez_28:
MattBombHead
22-01-2007, 19:04
Of course........duh!!
So how do you carry out the IP before you do the course??
Whats IP then? :PDT_Xtremez_08:
MrMasher
22-01-2007, 19:10
You ever see the crap that NVQ's churned out for the SAC(t)'s?
A bit like that really.
You get the joy of doing tasks in the new trade and have to get a supervisor to sign you off on them.
Only then may you become a full cross dresser!
Unless you were one anyway due to the aircraft q course..............then its just a paperwork exercise to be honest!
Coryphaeus Intercessor
06-02-2007, 12:27
Just had a quick read, Zammo's right, just say no.
If you're not an aviator then all the ****e should make no difference to your day.
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