Multiskilling Courses

[Tin basher]

Rigger to Sooty (1238) and Sooty to Rigger (1239) courses have been running for a while now so fellow techies of either or both trades a few questions for you to consider. Some in the poll above and some to debate.
If you have done the course does this make you a split brain?
How many have not done the course for what ever reason such as OOA or can't be ar$ed etc?
Is it a few weeks on the pi$$ and chance to escape the wife or of some value?

I throw it open to the wolves to debate/discuss the merit or otherwise of multiskilling.

[Hu Jardon]

Rigger to Sooty (1238) and Sooty to Rigger (1239) courses have been running for a while now so fellow techies of either or both trades a few questions for you to consider.
If you have done the course does this make you a split brain?
How many have not done the course for what ever reason such as OOA or can't be ar$ed etc?
Is it a few weeks on the pi$$ and chance to escape the wife or of some value?

I throw it open to the wolves to debate/discuss the merit or otherwise of multiskilling.
How come you are running a poll but none of the questions you are asking are available to select in your poll?

Hu

[fat lazy techie]

This may cause some upset, as did some of my goat comments regarding Mech ToSs prior to the great goat crash, amongst the higher members of the food chain in the morale vaccum but here goes. Despite the best efforts of some of the destructors to make the lessons relevant, you know who you are, they were pretty anal and pitched at utter retard (AMM/rigger) level. Why I had to sit through electrickery I don't know as I have no desire to abuse dogs. As for being used as a pawn in the PTI training programme, well that just took the biccie. In my ever so humble, and the majority of my courses, oppinion everything could be done at local level in the relevant trade "Q" course. The only enjoyable thing, apart from going home, was the chopping up of metal and taking out your frustrations on some poor helpless rivets. Thank fcuk we didn't have the bloke that looks like a fat and mentally impaired version of Sandy from the hit TV series Monkey for that.

It's pointless as I will have forgotten everything by the time I start to circulate in the real air farce again. Still it opens up twice the DWR posts in the sand pit. On that not it sounds like a good time to get out. Roll on tranche 4!!!!!!!

[Tin basher]

How come you are running a poll but none of the questions you are asking are available to select in your poll?

Hu
Cos i'm a total IT fcukwit who doesn't know how to set it up properly. Sorry Hu it's not lack of ambition just lack of talent. If anyone can set it up correctly (perhaps a helpful and respected Moderator) then please do so.

[MrMasher]

Complete waste of fecking time!
Did a split brain Q course and work as one on sea kings.
If anything the rigger to sooty course did more to confuse me as Cosford anally teach jag/tonka crap whether its relevant or not!
As fat lazy techie said earlier in this thread, stick the splitter training into the q course, you have to do a q course anyway and its more beneficial that way.
As I see it-it's just jobs for Cosford (or is it Saints? Ha ha ha!).

Oh........and I hate Cosford!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[monobrow]

Complete honest moment here......

I did the course october 2005 (Fairy to Leckie).
After I completed the course, I got stuck in LITS cell.
My on aircraft work has depleted to virtually none.
Yet in October/November this year (with a big push from SEngO) I managed to complete the IP package with a series of breifings from the leckies.

I'm now X500 and all I have done leckie wise is change a PDU. wow!

And I'm still stuck in the LITS cell,
And I'm still trying to dig my way out,
And it's not working!!!!!!!!

[Hu Jardon]

Cos i'm a total IT fcukwit who doesn't know how to set it up properly. Sorry Hu it's not lack of ambition just lack of talent. If anyone can set it up correctly (perhaps a helpful and respected Moderator) then please do so. Lots of begging here now Hu.
Problem is (for some unknown reason) I'm only allowed to moderate the tourrettes/porn/personal abuse/booze/gayers/bad attitude and Equal Ops related threads

You should be able to edit the poll yourself or perhaps a more God Like Mod might do it for you

All the breast

Hu

:PDT_Xtremez_28:

[enginesuck]

Did the course in 05 and was given a full set of exam questions on my first day by some guy that just finished the course. Of course i had a peek and aced it ! So did the rest of my course.

I learned the following

1) The m6 is still a pain any time of the week

2) Just because im away from home it is not sensible to increse ones overdraft 4 times in six weeks

3) Those who can do - those who cant teach

4) Nobody cares if you become profficient in the new trade as long as you tick the IP boxes. (ie if ground run an aircraft for a rigger component change, and my name is on the job card i therefore must be competant in the system.)

[Rectifier]

In defence of the instructiors at Cosford, they are like the rest of us, they teach what they are told to teach and don't choose the course content themselves. If the courses at Cosford leave you a little disgruntled then don't take it out on the instructor, been there and done it and if you think it's easy try it for yourself.

Answer to the original question - no it doesn't make you a split brain, there may only be a few of us left but long live the brotherhood of the wheel

[exerk]

...
And I'm still stuck in the LITS cell,
And I'm still trying to dig my way out,
And it's not working!!!!!!!!

What? LITS or your tunnelling? :PDT_Xtremez_17:

[monobrow]

What? LITS or your tunnelling? :PDT_Xtremez_17:

Well it was fabeled that in the Deid I had the "big red button" for LITS so I could get some quality pool time in!

I'd say both, but the tunnel collapses as soon as I get anywhere near tunnel like!

[Tashy_Man]

Can we have another option......Not fecking interested and officially turned down course ?

It's a waste of time and only ever gonna help them cut more manpower.

Crack on.......:PDT_Xtremez_09:

[Beerofund]

In defence of the instructiors at Cosford, they are like the rest of us, they teach what they are told to teach and don't choose the course content themselves. If the courses at Cosford leave you a little disgruntled then don't take it out on the instructor, been there and done it and if you think it's easy try it for yourself.

Answer to the original question - no it doesn't make you a split brain, there may only be a few of us left but long live the brotherhood of the wheel

Two very valid points Rectifier but then coming from an ex appo they will be well thought out and intelligent - long live the Wheel!

[exerk]

Two very valid points Rectifier but then coming from an ex appo they will be well thought out and intelligent - long live the Wheel!

Whatever you do DON'T point your toes, you'll disappear all the way up Rectifiers @rse....oh, of course, Rect(al) :PDT_Xtremez_31:

[God_is_a_TG1_rigger]

Did the rigger to sumpy course at the end of 2006. Waste of time, I'm one of those unfortunate a/c techies who dosn't actually work on a/c, except when they fall out the sky. 3 weeks of my life wasted, Mech TS management are a bunch of cnuts.

[Tashy_Man]

Did the rigger to sumpy course at the end of 2006. Waste of time, I'm one of those unfortunate a/c techies who dosn't actually work on a/c, except when they fall out the sky. 3 weeks of my life wasted, Mech TS management are a bunch of cnuts.

Can i have your job then ? You must do bugger all for at least 11 months a year....aircraft don't fall out of the sky that often.......typical heavies/riggers sit on their ar$es all year :PDT_Xtremez_30:

Crack on..........

[God_is_a_TG1_rigger]

Can i have your job then ? You must do bugger all for at least 11 months a year....aircraft don't fall out of the sky that often.......typical heavies/riggers sit on their ar$es all year :PDT_Xtremez_30:

Crack on..........


I wish that was the case, we're busy most of the time with other things, excercises, road transport etc etc.

[wgaf]

Can i have your job then ? You must do bugger all for at least 11 months a year....aircraft don't fall out of the sky that often.......typical heavies/riggers sit on their ar$es all year :PDT_Xtremez_30:

Crack on..........

Not going to bite, not going to bite, not going to bite................awww feck it!!NAFF OFF C**T CHOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tashy_Man]

Not going to bite, not going to bite, not going to bite................awww feck it!!NAFF OFF C**T CHOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOTCHA :PDT_Xtremez_09:

[Beerofund]

Did the rigger to sumpy course at the end of 2006. Waste of time, I'm one of those unfortunate a/c techies who dosn't actually work on a/c, except when they fall out the sky. 3 weeks of my life wasted, Mech TS management are a bunch of cnuts.

I will pass your thoughts on to the WO Mech TS who is a very close and personal friend. Have a nice career!!! NOT

[Tashy_Man]

career

LOL...you mentioned the C word, like it actually means anything these days LOL

I love an ignorant fool........crack on.....:PDT_Xtremez_09:

[Hu Jardon]

I will pass your thoughts on to the WO Mech TS who is a very close and personal friend. Have a nice career!!! NOT

It was rumoured he had one somewhere

:PDT_Xtremez_28:

[Tin basher]

The only enjoyable thing, apart from going home, was the chopping up of metal and taking out your frustrations on some poor helpless rivets.

Yeh I think that's the best bit too.
But that's only to be expected - tin bashing it's the way ahead.

Not fecking interested and officially turned down course ?

Tashy man how did you get out of attending surely "I don't fancy going is not enough" more gen please if you can

[Tashy_Man]

The only enjoyable thing, apart from going home, was the chopping up of metal and taking out your frustrations on some poor helpless rivets.

Yeh I think that's the best bit too.
But that's only to be expected - tin bashing it's the way ahead.

Not fecking interested and officially turned down course ?

Tashy man how did you get out of attending surely "I don't fancy going is not enough" more gen please if you can

There is an official form to turn down the course...I'll have a look tomorrow when back at work..can't remember that far back.

I think it's in AP 3392 (not sure, not a daily read for me !!) will get back to you tomorrow.

[Hu Jardon]

The only enjoyable thing, apart from going home, was the chopping up of metal and taking out your frustrations on some poor helpless rivets.

Yeh I think that's the best bit too.
But that's only to be expected - tin bashing it's the way ahead.

Not fecking interested and officially turned down course ?

Tashy man how did you get out of attending surely "I don't fancy going is not enough" more gen please if you can

Tin Basher - Ask in your admin office Sgt B or the girls should know but its a simple procedure and occurs quite often - you cannot be forced to retrade however you cannot (since April last year) sign on or get promoted unless you accept multiskilling.

If a guy is due to leave at the 22 year point (or before), and/or decided he's not staying in , what is the point of spending time at Tossford getting cross dressed?

[JT 4 ever]

I did the Sooty to Rigger course a year or so ago, I'm glad theyve reduced it to 4 weeks cos I always thought it was a 4 week course rammed into 6 weeks.

6 damn weeks ****ing it up, abusing smallies, stealing road signs (ermm... I mean gizzets) and trying to dodge the SWO!

Dont get me wrong.. some of it was good.. some just an attendence course.

Ohh and did I mention some of the jumped up Cpl instructors.. they who who they are!

[fogducker]

I was fortunate to do my Leckie to Fairy x-dressing course in sept 05 before I went to the Gulf.
Since then due to ARF, hot pit and all that pish we have had 3 times more Fairy jnco's than weve had canine copulators so 14 months on I still havent done my IP and to be honest I dont give a feck.

[Tin basher]

[quote=Tin basher;54404]

Tin Basher - Ask in your admin office Sgt B or the girls should know but its a simple procedure and occurs quite often - you cannot be forced to retrade however you cannot (since April last year) sign on or get promoted unless you accept multiskilling.

Thanks Hu a mine of useful information as always :PDT_Xtremez_28: Will go and ask the afore mentioned individuals this morning.

[fat lazy techie]

Ohh and did I mention some of the jumped up Cpl instructors.. they who who they are!

I think I know who you are talking about. Were they involved in airframe repair by any chance?

[God_is_a_TG1_rigger]

I will pass your thoughts on to the WO Mech TS who is a very close and personal friend. Have a nice career!!! NOT


It's okay I f**ked up my career long before writing tht post. Looking forward to my promotion to Mr in 22months. Not that i'm counting.

[MrMasher]

I will pass your thoughts on to the WO Mech TS who is a very close and personal friend. Have a nice career!!! NOT

I take it you are referring to the WO who arrived there from the top secret SAR base in Cornwall?

Better he's there than where I am!!!!!!!!

I mostly agree with the cnuts statement too!!!!!!!!!

Management at Cosford are train set toting bun fighters........

........retires to safe distance.........

[Liney Hasbeen]

I did the Sooty to Rigger course a year or so ago, I'm glad theyve reduced it to 4 weeks cos I always thought it was a 4 week course rammed into 6 weeks.

6 damn weeks ****ing it up, abusing smallies, stealing road signs (ermm... I mean gizzets) and trying to dodge the SWO!

Dont get me wrong.. some of it was good.. some just an attendence course.

Ohh and did I mention some of the jumped up Cpl instructors.. they who who they are!


Hmmmm, Agree, Agree, Agree and Agree.

But ....... as one of the unfortunate destructors that has to deliver the mostly complete and utter drivvle to the sooties amongst you I can only sympathise and say make the best of a bad un'

However any chance of any good words for us chaps ??

Some of us do try our very best to make it as painless as possible, don't let the Cpl Hitlers tar us with thier 'sad pathetic can't get on in a real aircraft environment as everyy one hated me' brush.

Come here willing to have a laugh and play the game and we will make the best we can of it for you.

From a sad feeling rejected destructor !!!!!!!!!!

[I Look Like Kevin Costner]

Complete honest moment here......

I did the course october 2005 (Fairy to Leckie).
After I completed the course, I got stuck in LITS cell.
My on aircraft work has depleted to virtually none.
Yet in October/November this year (with a big push from SEngO) I managed to complete the IP package with a series of breifings from the leckies.

I'm now X500 and all I have done leckie wise is change a PDU. wow!

And I'm still stuck in the LITS cell,
And I'm still trying to dig my way out,
And it's not working!!!!!!!!

Know the feeling Mate!!!Off Topic

[Captain Gatso]

Did the Sootie to Rigger cross dressing course three years ago. Have I used the information since. Not a chance. The only enjoyable bit I saw was hammering and riviting the **** of metal. Oh and also walking around camp, without getting shouted at, every five minutes by some dicip.::P:

[LucyQuipment]

:PDT_Xtremez_35:

90% of my sootie to A tech M course was working on or heading for rotary wing, of the 6 weeks, helicopter theory was rushed through in around 30 mins, I think we knew more than the instructors.

The Hunter undercarriage theory will come in handy some day im sure.

[Turbo Angryman]

Week in week out I have to stand at the front of the class spewing out this drivel, to you thick as f#ck sumpy mongs, and what thanks do you give us?? F#CK ALL apart from call us jumped up cpl hitlers, well my gormless sumpy retards, if it wasn't for us jumped up cpl hitlers here at Mong TS you lot would be doing the walk of shame back to your units as FAILED RIGGERS. We regarded as similar to dog sh#t by our management, and are treated like rancid vomit, but some of us try very hard to get you spazzers through and out of this turdis as quick as possible regardless!!
How funny it is that when you Mongaloids fail the exams you seem to shut your big gobs and listen to the cpl hitlers to get you through!!
So keep that thought in mind.
And as a final thought why not turn the course down???
MEAKONS THE LOT OF YOU!!
Turboangryman
Angryness Level 10/10

[Captain Pugwash]

. Were they involved in airframe repair by any chance?

WTF are they teaching mongaloid sooties airframe repair for? The last time I did airframe repairs I was on a structures repair team, as the majority of riggers have never touched a file outside of Halton/Cosford and here at the rapidly decomposing Wilts Transport Base the only people who get any airfame repair work are the civvies. :PDT_Xtremez_37:

Well at least it may stop the sooties coming to the rigger desk whining that they "can't get a screw out, we a need a real tradesman to do it for us" :PDT_Xtremez_42:

On a different note, the Hitler destructor- it wasn't a Cpl O'N*** was it?

[Tin basher]

WTF are they teaching mongaloid sooties airframe repair for? :PDT_Xtremez_37:
Well at least it may stop the sooties coming to the rigger desk whining :PDT_Xtremez_42:

Seems you may have answered your own question.

As for civvies at Alberts house doing all the repairs things must have changed. When I was there the civvies never did work in theatre, down route or OOA just the poor hard working blue suits fixed things away from sunny Wiltshire.

Off Topic From the nickname thread in fight club Pan Warrior states -
Heard of a guy on first line fixing rapier called TAM...thick as mince
I Know a fellow tossford resident intials TAM = Turbo Angry Man
Obviously just an embarassing coincidence as Turbo Angry Man is a nice chap who gets the brews in and is a liney at heart. He would never run off with his TAIL between his legs and bleat. :PDT_Xtremez_30:

Stands back for incoming at anger level 10/10Off Topic

[Captain Pugwash]

Seems you may have answered your own question.

As for civvies at Alberts house doing all the repairs things must have changed. When I was there the civvies never did work in theatre, down route or OOA just the poor hard working blue suits fixed things away from sunny Wiltshire.



Blue suits seem to fix everything away from Wiltshire except for airframe repairs, that seems to be done by R & SS or they limp the frame home and give it to the civvies as happened with one home from the 'ghan recently with a knackered underbelly from extreme rough strip landings. This place has changed recently, don't know how long ago you left, but the civvies are talking over, although they are mainly ex GEs and others who got redundancy (lucky swine).

R.I.P Lyneham (and the rest of the RAF) 11 years to the end of the 100 year experiment.

[monobrow]

11 years to the end of the 100 year experiment.

Thought it was labelled the 100 year joke..... April 1st 1918???

[Tin basher]

This place has changed recently, don't know how long ago you left,

End of Green Team minors 2001

[sumps]

OK - I'll admit it I'm having a thick moment here! - Why do you need to retrain to do your opposite trade in order to be promoted?
Apart from the hands on practical aspects wouldn't a credible pass at HNC/D level in a relevant subject e.g. Aircraft engineering or mechanical /electronic engineering...etc... etc... (Of which there are a lot within the technician brethren) cover the science, theories and other complexities of aircraft especially if these HNC/D's can be used for a pay increase :PDT_Xtremez_15:

The practical aspects could be carried out by swiping bits of metal from a BDR kit then returning useless picture frames and G-Clamps for marking to the old crusty instructor C/T I. N. Mydaylad at the No.1 spitfire MTU - RAF Weston Zoyland - or whatever!!!:PDT_Xtremez_30:

[LagDamper]

I just did mine and to be honest I day dreamed for the whole 4 weeks, fook knows how I passed the exam, sheer blind luck. I'm not that thick just totaly and utterly NFI. 10 years on helicopters and just started another tour on them. Why I have to learn about Tornado/Jaguar engines I don't know. Still, 4 weeks drinking in JAX with F@:k all responsibility and late starts everyday is better than working my ass off.

[propersplitbrainme]

I just did mine and to be honest I day dreamed for the whole 4 weeks,

You must have overslept then, the course is only 3 weeks 2 days long

:PDT_Xtremez_30:

[Turbo Angryman]

Heard of a guy on first line fixing rapier called TAM...thick as mince
I Know a fellow tossford resident intials TAM = Turbo Angry Man
Obviously just an embarassing coincidence as Turbo Angry Man is a nice chap who gets the brews in and is a liney at heart. He would never run off with his TAIL between his legs and bleat. :PDT_Xtremez_30:


Right you job stealing Ba#tard, a friend of mine at tossford who is a fecking good instructor and all round good egg,has just been accused of being me by man in the avenue of power who looks just like a human swan vesta, and may have tezzas that resemble oranges you know who im talking about!
So Keep your grid shut!!
Turbo (nearly identified by jobstealing civvy meakon)Angryman
Angryness Level 10/10

[SORRY CJ]

Right you job stealing Ba#tard, a friend of mine at tossford who is a fecking good instructor and all round good egg,has just been accused of being me by man in the avenue of power who looks just like a human swan vesta, and may have tezzas that resemble oranges you know who im talking about!
So Keep your grid shut!!
Turbo (nearly identified by jobstealing civvy meakon)Angryman
Angryness Level 10/10


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[Scoop43F]

im on mine a week on monday,falls over easter so have to go back for 2 extra days. is it all theory or is some practical, fairy-leccy i'll be doing