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rugby then work
13-12-2006, 12:13
As there seem to be a few rugby fans on the goat I thought i'd get some predictions for this years 6 Nations....
My Prediction:
Ireland to complete a Grand Slam, they're the only team in world rugby that could give the All Blacks a serious run for their money.
probably right but wouldnt it be good if England pulled it out of the bag.......
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I'll go along with the Ireland thing, although France could spring a suprise and spoil the Micks grand slam.
1. Ireland
2. France
3. Wales
4.England
5.Scotland
6.Italy
I hate to say it but the bottom three will be close.
gemarriott
13-12-2006, 12:20
As there seem to be a few rugby fans on the goat I thought i'd get some predictions for this years 6 Nations....
My Prediction:
Ireland to complete a Grand Slam, they're the only team in world rugby that could give the All Blacks a serious run for their money.
As it says on my shirt England World Champions I'd love to be able to argue the point but I think you may be right. I was at Murrayfield when the sweatys beat us this year and the old Jock I was sat next to apologised mischievously and assured me we would be back stronger than ever next year. I think he'd had as much to drink as me by that time.
Talking 6 nations do you think the Argies should be allowed in? Or should the tri nation southern Hemisphere be forced to expand to accept them? I'd like to see them play here more myself.
rugby then work
13-12-2006, 12:22
probably right but wouldnt it be good if England pulled it out of the bag.......
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I'd love England to pull it out of the bag but unfortunately the bags been empty for the last couple of years, Andy Robinson was never a good choice as Head coach, failed at Bath then ended up with the England job by default. The blokes an excellent specialist forwards coach but hasn't got the vision to plan a long term campaign as Head coach. Now it's going to take the next man in the post a while to turn things round.
rugby then work
13-12-2006, 12:29
As it says on my shirt England World Champions I'd love to be able to argue the point but I think you may be right. I was at Murrayfield when the sweatys beat us this year and the old Jock I was sat next to apologised mischievously and assured me we would be back stronger than ever next year. I think he'd had as much to drink as me by that time.
Talking 6 nations do you think the Argies should be allowed in? Or should the tri nation southern Hemisphere be forced to expand to accept them? I'd like to see them play here more myself.
I think the Tri nations should be expanded to include Argentina and perhaps the Pacific islands team. I wouldn't be against Argentina joining in a 7 nations but quite a trip for aways fans! (Away trips being what the 6 nations is all about for me)
I've booked to go and watch Wales in Italy this year to complete my tour of away grounds (England playing them at home this year). But might be a bit expensive travelling away to Argentina.
I'd love England to pull it out of the bag but unfortunately the bags been empty for the last couple of years, Andy Robinson was never a good choice as Head coach, failed at Bath then ended up with the England job by default. The blokes an excellent specialist forwards coach but hasn't got the vision to plan a long term campaign as Head coach. Now it's going to take the next man in the post a while to turn things round.
Spot on fella, forget this 6 nations, nexyt years world cup and the 2008
6 nations, it's not going to happen for England by then. If and only if the right man is chosen for the job things will start looking up for the 2008 autumn internationals.
I think we should definately invite the Argentines into the 6 nations. They play a type of rugby that would benefit the rest of the 6 nations, i.e. passionate, something our home grown boys seem to have forgotten and these days are a true power in world rugby.
gemarriott
13-12-2006, 12:47
I think the Tri nations should be expanded to include Argentina and perhaps the Pacific islands team. I wouldn't be against Argentina joining in a 7 nations but quite a trip for aways fans! (Away trips being what the 6 nations is all about for me)
I've booked to go and watch Wales in Italy this year to complete my tour of away grounds (England playing them at home this year). But might be a bit expensive travelling away to Argentina.
The Argies were offering to base themselves in Spain I believe for the Nations if they were allowed in. I know what you mean about travelling though, I love Murrayfield when we go there and tank the scots, a few pints at the Murrayfield hotel, a couple of those burgers then into the beer tent and hip flask through the game belting afternoon out.
Up the Irish !!! :PDT_Xtremez_30:
mightyhunter
13-12-2006, 14:21
I'll go along with the Ireland thing, although France could spring a suprise and spoil the Micks grand slam.
1. Ireland
2. France
3. Wales
4.England
5.Scotland
6.Italy
I hate to say it but the bottom three will be close.
my order would be: 1,2,3,5,6,4!!
As far as I'm concerned, England should come last just to prove to Baron and the rest of the old farts what a complete waste of space 'Offside' was. Saying that Corry is/was inefectual as captain. A good clear out is needed and a few years in the wilderness getting thumped, bringing on the exciting young talent (Gloucester is full of it! ;) )
As far as I'm concerned, England should come last just to prove to Baron and the rest of the old farts what a complete waste of space 'Offside' was. Saying that Corry is/was inefectual as captain. A good clear out is needed and a few years in the wilderness getting thumped, bringing on the exciting young talent (Gloucester is full of it! ;) )
Trouble is that would do the English game irreprable damage, youngsters are attracted to success as are investors.
Rugby thrives on both.
Corry's display in the post match interview after losing to SA ws disgraceful. I would never expect an England captain to look at the floor with his tail between his legs.... Jonno would have been seething and would have had the fire of hell in his eyes....
We need a passionate Captain to lead us!!:PDT_Xtremez_32:
Corry's display in the post match interview after losing to SA ws disgraceful. I would never expect an England captain to look at the floor with his tail between his legs.... Jonno would have been seething and would have had the fire of hell in his eyes....
We need a passionate Captain to lead us!!:PDT_Xtremez_32:
I totally agree with you here, but who in the current England set up would you suggest?
Having watched Mike Catt inspire London Irish last weekend then heard his after match huddle speach, despite his age, I can think of noone in the current England set up who can get that fired up. As an added bonus he's coming along leaps and bounds as a coach.
Novel idea as it seems why not bring him in as a player and coach, not as head coach but maybe as an under study to Brian Ashton.
it's hard to choose anyone.... As we know adversity often brings out great things and leadership in people... Just check out who the heroes are in Iraq at the moment many are not who you would expect to carry out great things...... Someone will be on the fringes that just need the opportunity to shine.... 5 games at the 6 nations should do it....:PDT_Xtremez_31:
gemarriott
16-12-2006, 12:23
Got to agree with that, a natural leader on the field could come from anywhere. Trouble is when we won the world cup we had a team of leaders out there not just Johnno but Neil Back, Dawson, Dallalgio,Wilkinson, Robinson, hill and Leonard. all capable of stepping into the job if needed. We don't seem to have that now and only Dalagllio is left in the squad and let's be honest he is over the hill.
Playing wise I'll agree with you about Dallalgio being over the hill, although he's still a quality player, but we are desperate for leaders and as you say the man is a natural leader, but is this enough to overcome the advancing years. In the case of Catt I would argue that it probably is, I've not always been a big Catt fan but fair play he really is on form for London Irish.
gemarriott
16-12-2006, 14:42
As far as the back row goes Dalagllio is not up there with international 8s and blindsides now. Not quick enough and a bit brittle. Never liked Catt much until I stood behind the goal at Newcastle one weekend and watched him demolish newcastle for Bath. changed my mind then he moves oppostions around like nobody else in the english set up at the moment. I think we need to play him at stand off until somebody better turns up or wilkinson gets off the sick parade.
I love Murrayfield when we go there and tank the scots
Not going to plan lately then eh??:PDT_Xtremez_14:
gemarriott
16-12-2006, 18:31
Not going to plan lately then eh??:PDT_Xtremez_14:
enjoy it while you can, ::P:
we appear to carry about 15 players on the pitch at the moment..... Why not have Lawrence as a sacrificial player, he would bring more to the team than his now questionable international playing ability.... :PDT_Xtremez_08: :PDT_Xtremez_08:
gemarriott
16-12-2006, 22:25
I don't think his body would take 2 more major campaigns, the nations and the world cup. He doesn't carry far enough at no 8 and I don't think he's up to the tackling required at 6 in the modern international game. I see richard Hill is on the verge of a comeback, another more likely possibility if his fitness proves ok than daladllio I think. Having said that he is better than the alternative on show knckered and ancient as he is.
rugby then work
30-01-2007, 12:42
Anyone got any thoughts on Brian Ashton and his decision to go with Wilkinson at Outside half after only 37 minutes rugby with Newcastle since his latest injury.
What about Andy Farrell at 12, again inexperienced but a potential match winner? And of course shouldn’t forget Jason Robinson back in on the wing after coming out of retirement.
Does any of this change who’s going to win the 6 nations?
referee806
30-01-2007, 13:02
As there seem to be a few rugby fans on the goat I thought i'd get some predictions for this years 6 Nations....
My Prediction:
Ireland to complete a Grand Slam, they're the only team in world rugby that could give the All Blacks a serious run for their money.
Couldn't agree more
tommo9999
30-01-2007, 13:06
Anyone got any thoughts on Brian Ashton and his decision to go with Wilkinson at Outside half after only 37 minutes rugby with Newcastle since his latest injury.
I think it's a great decision...........for the Mighty Scotland. Up the jocks!!!
This whole Jonny situation stinks of desperation ! I cant Imagine how the likes of Toby Food feel.
Wilkinson is living now on his past reputation. He's got a glass jaw and will never again reach the standard he once had. Farrell on the ther hand - still need to be convinced on this. I've seen him play for Sorries and wasn't impressed. At International level he may prove me wrong, but I'm waiting to see.
I Look Like Kevin Costner
30-01-2007, 15:39
I think it's a great decision...........for the Mighty Scotland. Up the jocks!!!
At least England will have a decent kicker (non choker) on the pitch for the first time in 3 YEARS!!!:PDT_Xtremez_14:
I Look Like Kevin Costner
30-01-2007, 15:41
Wilkinson is living now on his past reputation. He's got a glass jaw and will never again reach the standard he once had. .
Glass Jaw? Everything else may have been made of glass, but certainly not his jaw!!:PDT_Xtremez_31:
It's going to be interesting to see Farrell and Tindall in the centre together, two bigs lumps but they've got massively different games. Don't think it's panic measures by Ashton, it's not as if his jobs on the line, I reckon he's made some good choices. As for Wilkinson, he went well for Newcastle at the weekend, all be it they got humped, but it's worrying that he's been bought back this quick. Don't think we've got much to worry about from the Jocks this weekend, they got lucky last year :PDT_Xtremez_28: and this year we've got a decent attacking coach.
rugby then work
30-01-2007, 15:54
My Thoughts:
The selection of Jonny wilkinson is a desperate measure on Ashtons behalf, if it comes off and Wilko plays a blinder he'll be hailed for his selection, more likely Wilkinson will be off inside off 30 minutes and he'll be looking to Toby Flood to pull him out of the sh1te (after he's overlooked him in the 1st place). The selection of Wilko has a lot to do with the selection of Farrell, I believe Ashton is looking for Wilkinson to provide him with the space he used to open up for Greenwood. He wanted to select Farrell and has done so without any proof that he can operate as a 12, the choice of Tindall at 13 takes some of the preasuure off Farrell as he's also good with the boot and can take the crash ball up if Farrell runs out of options (lets face it we're not blessed with pace with this choice of centres).
I'm still looking at Englands 2nd string (the Saxons) and hoping a few of those players can prove themselves at international level. James Simpson-Daniel should be given a run in the 1st team he's one of the most gifted and exciting players in English rugby and to be fair we haven't got to many of those at the moment.
Thank god it's only the sweatys 1st game (said with tongue in cheek, and dives for cover)
Totally agrre about JSD ( but we are biased) Why he's consistantly over loked when he out thinks everyone else on the pitch is beyond me. Half the problem is thats he's outs Tinds and can't actually get the ball to show what he's got.
In BA's defence, He's picked on form (well apart from Farrell and Wilko) rather than the name. The Vixster as captain is a bloody good move. He's got what England have lacked since Martin Johnstone hung up his boots - a prescence on the pitch. He leads by example and isn't scared to say what he thinks ( I know this, because I've spoken to him a few times in the club bar)
I've got a nice warm fuzzy feeling about this team.
True Blue Jack
30-01-2007, 16:06
I wanted to vote Wales obviously, but with Shane Williams out and Gareth Thomas facing a possible ban I think we will be too weakend in the backs. For too long I have been saying it's Ireland's year (even in 2005, which backfired in a nice way!), so I've had to go for them.
The real poll should be where will Italy finish. My money's on 4th.
As a true England fan who grew up in Wales through the seventies (very traumatic) it pains me to say that I think the general view of this thread on the table is sensible and correct, with Wales ending up just above England in mid table. Brian Ashtons Dear Johnny move is fraught with danger, if it comes off I will be the first to thank god and the manufacturers of sporting protective equipment but there have got to be doubts about his Match Fitness and brittleness. Wales seem to have a big enough squad now to cope with their injury worries and a confidence and belief that they can play well, however it all seems a bit closer this year so fingers crossed for some English upsets. There is no doubt that the team put their bodies on the line win or lose but with more proven leaders in the team decision making should improve dramatically. On the Simpson-Daniel theme there are some good synergies between him and Shane Williams in that Williams made a fantastic start, got injured and then could not get back into the International side as Wales were going for Brawn. When they revised their stratagy and went for brain and speed it paid dividends. Anyway enough sensible stuff as I say to all Welshmen that I see you're only as good as your last world cup!
True Blue Jack
31-01-2007, 08:37
Anyway enough sensible stuff as I say to all Welshmen that I see you're only as good as your last world cup!
Or Grand Slam! Typical Englishman always living in the past - LOL:PDT_Xtremez_30:
Says a welshman in his rose tinted 70's spectacles..............Oh those halcyon days of welsh supremecy............................are well gone. :PDT_Xtremez_14:
gemarriott
31-01-2007, 10:01
Ashton has rung the changes and that is what we have all been crying out for an England coach to do. I don't think he's got it quite right but then why should he be expected to in his first game.
Not sure I like Ellis at scrum half, Wilkinson is too big a gamble, Farrel a great player of the other code but not experienced enough to put into an experimental side and I worry about Robinson's defence as he still finds himself out of position after 5 years playing he proper game.
I hope Ashton has got it right though and I for one will be shouting as loud as I can come the games.
referee806
03-02-2007, 20:08
Fantastic display this afternoon from both sides. It made a refreshing change to see England back to some kind of World Cup wining performance. However, there is still a lot of work to be done.
Scotland to be fair were a understrength team, and at times made England look vulnerable in areas.
Bring on the rest.
Mind you though the Video ref needs to get down to Spec Savers pronto, shocking decision as a fellow ref, if he was un-certain he should have given the lineout.
I Look Like Kevin Costner
03-02-2007, 20:08
Glass Jaw? Everything else may have been made of glass, but certainly not his jaw!!:PDT_Xtremez_31:
Sorry, CORRECTION REQUIRED! Jaw got it today with a b****** Lip! SO DID THE JOCKS!!! ENGLAND ARE BACK!! IRELAND, FIND OUT THAT A GLAM SLAM IS NOT THAT EASY!!!
I Look Like Kevin Costner
03-02-2007, 20:17
Fantastic display this afternoon from both sides. It made a refreshing change to see England back to some kind of World Cup wining performance. However, there is still a lot of work to be done.
Scotland to be fair were a understrength team, and at times made England look vulnerable in areas.
Bring on the rest.
Mind you though the Video ref needs to get down to Spec Savers pronto, shocking decision as a fellow ref, if he was un-certain he should have given the lineout.
England were a scratch team as well, not a settled one. Scotland were not particularly understrength, The fourth refs decision on Jonny's Try was shocking, the Murderers pub decision from the video replays was, Knee, Flag, Grounding (Split second order!). The Refs arm up was an amazing surprise!!:PDT_Xtremez_28:
MAINJAFAD
03-02-2007, 20:26
Or Grand Slam! Typical Englishman always living in the past - LOL:PDT_Xtremez_30:
And the Welsh have to live in the real distance past (1970's) to remember when they won the number Grand Slams that England have won since then!!!!
gemarriott
03-02-2007, 20:37
Ashton has rung the changes and that is what we have all been crying out for an England coach to do. I don't think he's got it quite right but then why should he be expected to in his first game.
Not sure I like Ellis at scrum half, Wilkinson is too big a gamble, Farrel a great player of the other code but not experienced enough to put into an experimental side and I worry about Robinson's defence as he still finds himself out of position after 5 years playing he proper game.
I hope Ashton has got it right though and I for one will be shouting as loud as I can come the games.
I stand corrected, Ellis was excellent, Farrell OK, Robinson goodin attack but I thought he could have been stronger in defence but what about Jonny? I am amazed and dead pleased for the lad,he was brilliant.
Well done Mr Ashton
SirSaltyHelmet
03-02-2007, 20:54
I am a Welshman, grieves me to say but I thought that 9, 10 and 12 were excellent. Considering Farrell has only played 12 games of Union was much better than okay. Shows his skill set when at times he was at 1st reciver full of confidence and he had Wilkinson outside him.
I Look Like Kevin Costner
03-02-2007, 20:55
I stand corrected, Ellis was excellent, Farrell OK, Robinson goodin attack but I thought he could have been stronger in defence but what about Jonny? I am amazed and dead pleased for the lad,he was brilliant.
Well done Mr Ashton
Yeph, the Ashton effect! Mate I saw in the pub today, said 12 months ago "Watch England under Ashton, they will be there!" Reply today whas "You won that bet!". I know it was one game, however "Today" England's players were enjoying themselves playing Rugby! The last time we saw that was 2001 when "foot and mouth" stopped them rampaging through to the greatest "Glam Slam" ever! (the attack coach was a certain "Brian Ashton"!):PDT_Xtremez_31:
I Look Like Kevin Costner
03-02-2007, 21:00
I am a Welshman, grieves me to say but I thought that 9, 10 and 12 were excellent. Considering Farrell has only played 12 games of Union was much better than okay. Shows his skill set when at times he was at 1st reciver full of confidence and he had Wilkinson outside him.
While perhaps not playing a Blinder that Ian Robertson suspected he might on Radio Five this morning, he did not play badly!! :PDT_Xtremez_28:
I Look Like Kevin Costner
03-02-2007, 21:01
And the Welsh have to live in the real distance past (1970's) to remember when they won the number Grand Slams that England have won since then!!!!
Is it 5 or 4, can't remember!!:PDT_Xtremez_30:
SirSaltyHelmet
03-02-2007, 21:03
Hey, England still harp on about 2003 and 1966!! Must be the only two times the competitions have been staged
gemarriott
03-02-2007, 21:03
I am a Welshman, grieves me to say but I thought that 9, 10 and 12 were excellent. Considering Farrell has only played 12 games of Union was much better than okay. Shows his skill set when at times he was at 1st reciver full of confidence and he had Wilkinson outside him.
I hadn't really been a fan of Ellis, I still don't think he has a quality international level pass but hemade up for that by doing the others stuff really well. I'll hold fire on Farrell till he faces some really high quality oppostion but he showed well enough today and as you rightly say had cconfidence to step up and try to make things happen.
Robinson is still a weak link defensivly though, I would just get my stand off to put him under a high ball as often as possible, he never catches one willingly.
MAINJAFAD
04-02-2007, 02:43
Hey, England still harp on about 2003 and 1966!! Must be the only two times the competitions have been staged
That's cause we have .....
A - made it to the final
and
B - won the Final.
How many time have the Welsh managed that feat????
Answer - ZERO!!!!!
However there are three games that come to my mind were when England played Wales in 93, 94 and 98. the first two I was at Valley and BBC Wales were gloating when the Welsh beat England 10-9 thanks to some pilot's lack of situation awareness (1993). I was in a night club in Holyhead after the game and the Welsh boys were cock-a-hoop, almost got into a fight after making the comment that Wales were still going to win the Wooden Spoon, which is precisely what happened.
94, The Grand slam is on for the Welsh, only got to beat England at Twickenham, England at this point haven't scored a try in the entire tournament and some welsh scopie I know is going on about how England play boring rugby. Well England stuffed the Welsh with most points coming from tries.
98, I’m in the rugby club on the unit, with about 8 Welsh blokes in front of me. 15 minutes into the game and I’m thinking that England may lose the match, then the flood gates opened. 20 minutes into the second half , I'm watching steam pour out of the Welshmen in front as I shout out ‘Make it Sixty’, which the English team then went and did, loved it.
MAINJAFAD
04-02-2007, 02:48
Is it 5 or 4, can't remember!!:PDT_Xtremez_30:
FIVE !!!! and most of the one's where England have come second the team that won it only beat England by a couple of points at most.
True Blue Jack
04-02-2007, 12:31
I've just heard that yesterday's Calcutta Cup result has been overturned. It turns out the TMO has an English boyfriend.
It's true. If you don't believe me, read it here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_sucker_born_every_minute).
fugmeister general
07-02-2007, 18:14
being an england supporter i totally agree that the tmo must have had a pre booked appointment at specsavers but you can't deny that england had more shape and vision with the 9/10 combination. all you have to say is " wilko's back and he here to stay" injuries permitting. the result on the wales ireland game was not fair and having been totally enthrauled ny it i just hope the two games against them are half as good and to be honest i would not mind if england lost and put on a performance as good as what wales did.
final thought " is johnny the best 10 in the world again and does he surpass o'gara in the kicking stakes" i beleive the answer is yes and would like your thoughts on it!!!
FG - I'm a club before country man and every time JW has played in front of the shed, I've been pretty un-impressed. He plays well on the international scene and there's no denying that, but club wise? no thanks. He can be shut down very easily, Newks have built their team around him, not just have a good team with him in it (if you see what I mean).
being an england supporter i totally agree that the tmo must have had a pre booked appointment at specsavers but you can't deny that england had more shape and vision with the 9/10 combination. all you have to say is " wilko's back and he here to stay" injuries permitting. the result on the wales ireland game was not fair and having been totally enthrauled ny it i just hope the two games against them are half as good and to be honest i would not mind if england lost and put on a performance as good as what wales did.
final thought " is johnny the best 10 in the world again and does he surpass o'gara in the kicking stakes" i beleive the answer is yes and would like your thoughts on it!!!
Sorry fella but Daniel Carter is leagues ahead of any other player, not just the 10s, in the world at the moment.
True Blue Jack
08-02-2007, 08:37
Sorry fella but Daniel Carter is leagues ahead of any other player, not just the 10s, in the world at the moment.
Carter is the best No. 10, but what matters is the half-back combination. England did so well because Harry Ellis played out of his skin.
I still believe that Dwayne Peel/Stephen Jones make the best half-back pairing in the world at the moment, with Stringer/O'Gara a very close second.
Is it just me or where Italy, in the second half, the most entertaining team out there this afternoon, England didn't seem to have a clue which way to play, they seemed stuck with no fluency btewwen backs and forwards. As for the Jocks and Welsh, shocking, plenty of industry from the sweatys and defence from the Welsh but feck all else.
I for one was dissapointed with both games, are these really the best, Ireland excepted, the best players in the home nations?
SirSaltyHelmet
10-02-2007, 18:37
I agree matey, Italy produced a very good performance. Did themsleves a lot of credit
Scaley brat
10-02-2007, 18:40
I agree matey, Italy produced a very good performance. Did themsleves a lot of credit
Got the RBS man of the match too, well deserved I thought !
rugby then work
10-02-2007, 21:58
Italy played loads better this week after a really poor performance against France last week, England played the wrong kind of game for too long today (grunt but no guile). It was fair enough to mix it with them in the forwards, but we ran out of idea's when the game needed some width. Italy made the most of it and put together a very good second half performance.
I still think England are improving as a side under Ashton but as lots of us have already said on here, it's not going to happen overnight.
Stingray
11-02-2007, 02:06
Is it just me or where Italy, in the second half, the most entertaining team out there this afternoon, England didn't seem to have a clue which way to play, they seemed stuck with no fluency btewwen backs and forwards. As for the Jocks and Welsh, shocking, plenty of industry from the sweatys and defence from the Welsh but feck all else.
I for one was dissapointed with both games, are these really the best, Ireland excepted, the best players in the home nations?
I totally agree with u mate. Didnt get to see both games live but after coming back from clothes shopping with Mrs Stingray and taking my son to his swimming gala i watched the highlights. You know what highlights are.......its like missing half the game and then watching what u missed the next day!!!!!
:raf:
Vim_Fuego
11-02-2007, 09:38
I totally agree with u mate. Didnt get to see both games live but after coming back from clothes shopping with Mrs Stingray and taking my son to his swimming gala i watched the highlights. You know what highlights are.......its like missing half the game and then watching what u missed the next day!!!!!
:raf:
I obviously applaude the p*ss taking of WGAF but dude, Saying things like the highlighted above is just social suicide...You may never get invited to office days out again FFS...The rugby was on and there should have only been three options, TV/cans at home, TV in pub or at Twickers itself (would have been a waste of £50 IMHO).
Get a grip you hom....
I totally agree with u mate. Didnt get to see both games live but after coming back from clothes shopping with Mrs Stingray and taking my son to his swimming gala i watched the highlights. You know what highlights are.......its like missing half the game and then watching what u missed the next day!!!!!
:raf:
Fooking what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Right I'm off to rugby now but Christ you're going to get some grief later!
I Look Like Kevin Costner
11-02-2007, 11:22
England were clueless in the second half, Italy did the basics very well, however the game reinforced what England have missed sorely these last three years, a kicker who converts his chances!!!
Im hoping the Irish beat the French Today, If only I were there :PDT_Xtremez_08:
I Look Like Kevin Costner
11-02-2007, 16:02
Im hoping the Irish beat the French Today, If only I were there :PDT_Xtremez_08:
So do we, mate!!:PDT_Xtremez_19:
Gutted. The frogs snatched it back in the last minutes of the game. :PDT_Xtremez_25:
I hate to say I told you so. Fekkin frogs!!!!!
gemarriott
11-02-2007, 17:53
Gutted. The frogs snatched it back in the last minutes of the game. :PDT_Xtremez_25:
with you there but a bloody good game all the same.
with you there but a bloody good game all the same.
Totally Agree, cracking game. The atmosphere must have been fantastic.
I Look Like Kevin Costner
11-02-2007, 18:25
Totally Agree, cracking game. The atmosphere must have been fantastic.
Yeph, go with that! As good as the previous two games of the weekend were dire. I would say "triple crown" is well within Ireland's capablitily (although Jonny may think differently). Moreover Championship is still up for grabs as the frogs still have to go to Twickers!:PDT_Xtremez_19:
gemarriott
11-02-2007, 20:59
couple of points, the ref today protected the scrum halfs at the ruck and maul so the ball was moved more leading to a better game.
I don't think anybody gave enough emphasis to the weather yesterday, it was much colder and wetter and both games suffered I think more than we are prepared to credit because of that. Italy also had an effective game plan and we failed to deal with it.
I can see england winning the slam hurrah!
True Blue Jack
12-02-2007, 08:25
Obviously I'm gutted about the Welsh defeat on Saturday so I won't bleat on about it.
Based on this weekend's performances, does anybody still believe the World Cup will stay in the Northern Hemisphere this year? I don't.
rugby then work
12-02-2007, 13:25
Really can't see any of the Northern Hemisphere side competing with NZ they're ahead of eveyone else at the moment including SA and Aus, France may have the advantage of being based at home but don't think they've got the fire power to trouble NZ. Ireland had a lot of possesion on Sunday, if any team give NZ that much ball they'll score points.
Its gonna be NZ's world cup to lose, its all about keeping their bottle !
I Look Like Kevin Costner
12-02-2007, 15:33
Its gonna be NZ's world cup to lose, its all about keeping their bottle !
The "choker" symdrome comes into play? It has in the last 4 RWC's:PDT_Xtremez_28:
referee806
12-02-2007, 15:49
The "choker" symdrome comes into play? It has in the last 4 RWC's:PDT_Xtremez_28:
And which referee you get to do the final. Not repeat that idiot that did the last one!!
I Look Like Kevin Costner
12-02-2007, 16:19
And which referee you get to do the final. Not repeat that idiot that did the last one!!
Well if the All Blacks get into the final, it won't be Steve Walsh!! He was awful in the Ireland - France game (call end of advantage when the Irish hadn't even passed the penalty line?):PDT_Xtremez_25:
referee806
12-02-2007, 16:30
Well if the All Blacks get into the final, it won't be Steve Walsh!! He was awful in the Ireland - France game (call end of advantage when the Irish hadn't even passed the penalty line?):PDT_Xtremez_25:
Couldn't agree more, he had a terrible game yesterday, the French No8 was killing the ball at every ruck and he just shrugged his shoulders and let it go.
Personnally I think he had it in for the Irish from the off, after the remark that he made to the BBC, that the Irish had to be quick at the breakdown and back foot (Offside line).
I think it should be Tony Spreadbury.
I Look Like Kevin Costner
12-02-2007, 16:45
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Couldn't agree more, he had a terrible game yesterday, the French No8 was killing the ball at every ruck and he just shrugged his shoulders and let it go.
Yeph, Charbal should have been "sin binned" (just for his hair alone) and Steve's "Whistle Happy" mode cost the Irish a definate match winning 7 points!
True Blue Jack
12-02-2007, 17:33
I like Chabal. He is the missing link.
Anyway, I learned from playing rugby that you do whatever the referee lets you get away with. I've blatantly fed into scrums and I've scored from offside positions. Not to mention the odd bit of "accidental" raking; knocking the ball out of the opposition's hands (oh, sorry mate) so they can't take a quick penalty; and getting a perfectly good opposition try disallowed by yelling from the bottom of the pile "It's held up! It's held up!" It's part of the game.
I Look Like Kevin Costner
12-02-2007, 17:57
We've got a missing "Link" working on the cats as well!:PDT_Xtremez_31:Off Topic
[QUOTE=True Blue Jack;67921]I like Chabal. He is the missing link.
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We've got a missing "Link" working on the cats as well!:PDT_Xtremez_31:
Don't put yourself down
I Look Like Kevin Costner
12-02-2007, 18:03
[QUOTE=I Look Like Kevin Cosner;67934][QUOTE=True Blue Jack;67921]I like Chabal. He is the missing link.
Don't put yourself down
Who woke you up? What are you still doing in Work?:PDT_Xtremez_31:
referee806
12-02-2007, 21:12
I like Chabal. He is the missing link.
Anyway, I learned from playing rugby that you do whatever the referee lets you get away with. I've blatantly fed into scrums and I've scored from offside positions. Not to mention the odd bit of "accidental" raking; knocking the ball out of the opposition's hands (oh, sorry mate) so they can't take a quick penalty; and getting a perfectly good opposition try disallowed by yelling from the bottom of the pile "It's held up! It's held up!" It's part of the game.
Right, that's that one logged in the little gray cells dedicated to Refereeing!!
Now wear the Fook did I leave my glasses................................
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Right, that's that one logged in the little gray cells dedicated to Refereeing!!
Now wear the Fook did I leave my glasses................................
Trouble is he's right ref. I for one will cheat at any given opportunity, I will also confuse the ref into believing I know the rules better than him and if I can get away with it that he was offside, not me. Mind you being the only forward with the face of an angel helps:PDT_Xtremez_31:
referee806
12-02-2007, 21:36
Trouble is he's right ref. I for one will cheat at any given opportunity, I will also confuse the ref into believing I know the rules better than him and if I can get away with it that he was offside, not me. Mind you being the only forward with the face of an angel helps:PDT_Xtremez_31:
Yep your right, but you see the beauty of Rugby Refereeing is that we have all played the game at some point, and as I often say, you don't get a face like mine from playing in the backs!!:PDT_Xtremez_28:
I know all the tricks and that's why I like to smile with all players, then bang in a penalty and send them back 10m.
Life is harsh but then again its my whistle!!!::P:
Regards
Yep your right, but you see the beauty of Rugby Refereeing is that we have all played the game at some point, and as I often say, you don't get a face like mine from playing in the backs!!:PDT_Xtremez_28:
I know all the tricks and that's why I like to smile with all players, then bang in a penalty and send them back 10m.
Life is harsh but then again its my whistle!!!::P:
Regards
If you can catch me then fair play. Otherwise it's not cheating.
referee806
12-02-2007, 21:45
If you can catch me then fair play. Otherwise it's not cheating.
Dam you Sir, You appear to have out foxed me!!
rugby then work
12-02-2007, 21:49
Catching the player who thinks he knows better than the ref is one of the best parts of refereeing. I'm an ex know it all, gobby scrum half turned referee and love refereeing against players who try and get away with as much as they can, gives me something to do with my shiney whistle.::D:
Playing with a whistle happy ref, then walking off the park with a big smile on your grid, knowing you've pulled the wool over the under qualified, under experienced little wannabes eyes is quite a buzz to.:PDT_Xtremez_30:
rugby then work
12-02-2007, 21:57
Playing with a whistle happy ref, then walking off the park with a big smile on your grid, knowing you've pulled the wool over the under qualified, under experienced little wannabes eyes is quite a buzz to.:PDT_Xtremez_30:
I take exception to being called little.
referee806
12-02-2007, 22:05
Playing with a whistle happy ref, then walking off the park with a big smile on your grid, knowing you've pulled the wool over the under qualified, under experienced little wannabes eyes is quite a buzz to.:PDT_Xtremez_30:
You win some, you lose some.:PDT_Xtremez_34:
Playing with a whistle happy ref, then walking off the park with a big smile on your grid, knowing you've pulled the wool over the under qualified, under experienced little wannabes eyes is quite a buzz to.:PDT_Xtremez_30:
You win some, you lose some.:PDT_Xtremez_34:
Fair one I've been caught a few times as well.
rugby then work
24-02-2007, 16:08
Go on Italy!
Just how many are they going to score :PDT_Xtremez_14:
SirSaltyHelmet
24-02-2007, 16:09
21 - 0 after 7 minuts... My eyes hurt from laughing
Homer's Right Hand Man
24-02-2007, 16:09
Go on Italy!
Just how many are they going to score :PDT_Xtremez_14:
21 - 0 to Italy after 8 mins. OUCH!!! :PDT_Xtremez_42:
Bar Stewards!!! 21 - 0 down after 6 mins!! I despair :PDT_Xtremez_42:
I've just weed myself:PDT_Xtremez_17:
Just checking my Fantasy team to see if I can claim any of those...........................................an d I can't. All my eyeties are forwards!!! the tw@ts.
rugby then work
24-02-2007, 16:13
It's cheered me right up, need cheering up before the game at Croke park later :PDT_Xtremez_28:
rugby then work
24-02-2007, 16:14
Just checking my Fantasy team to see if I can claim any of those...........................................an d I can't. All my eyeties are forwards!!! the tw@ts.
Just had a look myself, knew I didn't have any of them but fortunately no one has.
Not over till the fat bird sings! 21 - 7
If theres a fat bird singing, give her a few gins and send her my way!
Yum.
Pan Warrior
24-02-2007, 16:24
please god just this once 7-24
Why are the Jocks kicking into the corners??? My god take the three points until 10 mins to go!! :PDT_Xtremez_30: :PDT_Xtremez_30:
I love Italy!
Pan Warrior
24-02-2007, 16:56
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42609000/jpg/_42609895_bergamasco416.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42609000/jpg/_42609911_scava416.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42609000/jpg/_42609951_robertson416ap.jpg
10-24
:PDT_Xtremez_30:
rugby then work
24-02-2007, 16:57
Think their game plan has gone to rat sh1t, started as if they thought they were going to run around Italy. 3 tries down and they haven't got a clue what to do, half time couldn't come quick enough for them.
Congrats to the eyeties!!!
Only France and England to win now!!!
Pan Warrior
24-02-2007, 17:47
http://www.engr.uiuc.edu/international-StudentExperience/EuropeExperience/ItalyExperience/Frank_Pisa_S103/Italy/italy-flag-moving.gifCongrats to the eyeties!!!
Only France and England to win now!!!
i'll second that fomz awesome
rugby then work
24-02-2007, 17:47
Choir of fat ladies singing now!!
Makes Englands win over the eyeties seem better and better.
Vim_Fuego
24-02-2007, 17:50
Congrats to the eyeties!!!
Only France and England to win now!!!
I can't believe you want the cheese eating surrender monkeys to win!!
Even if France were playing the Adolf Hitler XV I'd be shouting for the facists over the big nosed gits in blue....
Its against the welsh (Sorry Dave, S2 et all) what do you expect?
rugby then work
24-02-2007, 17:55
I can't believe you want the cheese eating surrender monkeys to win!!
Even if France were playing the Adolf Hitler XV I'd be shouting for the facists over the big nosed gits in blue....
Got to agree there, can't bring my self to cheer the french on. I'd rather the welsh win, but don't tell anyone I said that.
The sweaty socks are being a bit quiet:PDT_Xtremez_14:
Mind you I reckon us English will be a bit quiet later on:PDT_Xtremez_09:
shoutingwind
24-02-2007, 18:24
i can't believ italy beat us- i'm going to cry :PDT_Xtremez_41:
gemarriott
24-02-2007, 19:29
Looks like we are being choked at the Croke.
Credit to the Paddy's playing good stuff.
Even more credit to the crowd for the way they treated the anthems, taught the chav football fans a thing or two.
rugby then work
24-02-2007, 19:40
Fans were excellent for the anthems, Irish playing a lot better than England, with next to no possesion it doesn't look good for the second half.:PDT_Xtremez_21:
Almost_done
24-02-2007, 19:42
i can't believ italy beat us- i'm going to cry :PDT_Xtremez_41:
There's nae cup o'beer for my sorrows.
sh1t ::(: ::(:
To be fair, Ireland were pretty good, the best team won.
gemarriott
24-02-2007, 20:31
Well that was painful, best side won but that doesn't make me feel a whole lot better.
SirSaltyHelmet
24-02-2007, 20:31
AWESOME IRISH
Tashy_Man
24-02-2007, 20:32
WTG Ireland !!
All we need now is a Welsh win for the perfect fairytale weekend.
Crack on.........:PDT_Xtremez_09:
Wing boy
24-02-2007, 20:36
30 point deficit? My eyes hurt from laughing.
rugby then work
24-02-2007, 20:37
Not to surprising a result at Croke park then, the Irish played well and as a team, England lacked idea's and confidence (or more like it ability) to try anything other than crash ball from centre. The few times they did spread the ball the support soon disappeared or a forward ended up on the wing ready to knock the ball on. The Irish weathered the few periods of English possession and adjusted to Englands rush defence (when they actually started to use it) well in the second half. If only they could have played like that last game they’d have been shoe ins for the grand slam now.
Andy Farrell has at least proved that he's no inside centre, he can distribute the ball but that's about it, with him at 12 England are playing without pace and penetration, bring back Anthony Allen, he was given a couple of games in the autumn and while he's not the finished article at last he breaks the gain line. Farrell struggles to break the tackle line and sits way to deep as a 12, what's the point of Wilkinson taking the ball flat if the next receiver is 15 yards behind him?
The one bright point of the whole game is when sitting watching the second half my Welsh girlfriend referred to the English team as US.
Oh my god she's never living that down, I've converted her to the way of the rose. :PDT_Xtremez_14:
they didnt give strettle a chance on the wing, when he did get the ball he bloddy scored!!
painfull to watch!:PDT_Xtremez_34:
Homer's Right Hand Man
24-02-2007, 20:43
Hate to say it but well played Ireland, quite easily the better team. :PDT_Xtremez_30:
Bit of a debate in my house at the moment with Mrs HRHM who happens to be a Sweaty sock. Is it more embarrassing to lose by 30 points or to be beaten by Italy?
A close call me thinks!
rugby then work
24-02-2007, 20:46
Hate to say it but well played Ireland, quite easily the better team. :PDT_Xtremez_30:
Bit of a debate in my house at the moment with Mrs HRHM who happens to be a Sweaty sock. Is it more embarrassing to lose by 30 points or to be beaten by Italy?
A close call me thinks!
I'd go with the being beaten by Italy
Almost_done
24-02-2007, 20:48
sh1t ::(: ::(:
To be fair, Ireland were pretty good, the best team won.
Now there is an understatement if I ever read one!!!
Ive been to Páirc an Chrócaigh quite a few times for all Ireland football finals, great atmosphere.
In regards to the Irish Fans respecting the national anthem, do you remember the old boy that used to dress like John Bull at Landsdowne Road for the Ireland - England rugby matches years ago, He was always welcomed amongst the Irish Fans.
I Look Like Kevin Costner
24-02-2007, 22:19
Ive been to Páirc an Chrócaigh quite a few times for all Ireland football finals, great atmosphere.
In regards to the Irish Fans respecting the national anthem, do you remember the old boy that used to dress like John Bull at Landsdowne Road for the Ireland - England rugby matches years ago, He was always welcomed amongst the Irish Fans.
The Croke Park fans were as magnificient as the team they support. Today was not the most painful preformance I have ever seen in the Northern hemisphere Championship for England (Murrayfield 1986 and 1990 were worse!). I was hoping that Wales would cause an upset today, but no chance of that! WHY did your boys choke against FRANCE!!!!:PDT_Xtremez_42:
gemarriott
24-02-2007, 22:57
Ive been to Páirc an Chrócaigh quite a few times for all Ireland football finals, great atmosphere.
In regards to the Irish Fans respecting the national anthem, do you remember the old boy that used to dress like John Bull at Landsdowne Road for the Ireland - England rugby matches years ago, He was always welcomed amongst the Irish Fans.
Let's be honest the Irish/English rugby has always risen above the troubles even in the early 70s when things were really bad. Perhaps there is something to be said for a united Ireland.
enough politics lets talk guinness.
WHY did your boys choke against FRANCE!!!!:PDT_Xtremez_42:
Simple, Ireland were still celebating their try aganst France too much and the Frogs caught them off the hop at the last minutes of the game.
I Look Like Kevin Costner
25-02-2007, 04:24
Simple, Ireland were still celebating their try aganst France too much and the Frogs caught them off the hop at the last minutes of the game.
I can only hope that against the French, England play a blinder and allow Ireland to win the championship (stranger things have been known to happen!)
True Blue Jack
25-02-2007, 12:40
I wanted to vote Wales obviously, but with Shane Williams out and Gareth Thomas facing a possible ban I think we will be too weakend in the backs. For too long I have been saying it's Ireland's year (even in 2005, which backfired in a nice way!), so I've had to go for them.
The real poll should be where will Italy finish. My money's on 4th.
You heard it here first! If Italy beat Wales, which is sadly only too likely, then it will happen.
sparks will fly
25-02-2007, 16:01
I was at murryfield and to be frank Scotland just played crap but I did think they looked tired at the begining of the game and the 3 trys in quick succession confirmed this. My biggest waste of £100:PDT_Xtremez_42:
WELL DONE THE PADDIES, how pish were england!!!!
True Blue Jack
25-02-2007, 16:31
I was at murryfield and to be frank Scotland just played crap but I did think they looked tired at the begining of the game and the 3 trys in quick succession confirmed this. My biggest waste of £100:PDT_Xtremez_42:
I thought the first 3 tries came from a lack of respect for the Italians. Especially that looping miss-2 pass that was just begging to be intercepted.
Also, if Paterson had taken the kicking opportunities that were presented to him Scotland would have had 15 more points on the board at half-time and Italy would not have been so confident later on. 2 attempts to score tries from penalties I can forgive but it was obvious that the Italian forwards were too powerful, so take the 3 points FFS!
Albert Park
25-02-2007, 19:33
Not one for watching rugby (I was swanning round Lincoln in relative peace during the World Cup Final win). Based on the hype from all the rugby types on e-goatI thought I'd give it a go.
Saturday, 24 Feb 2007.
5.30 - BBC1 Ireland vs England.
What a load of rubbish. Is it always as bad as that? I though me telly was bust, with all the stoppages.
If that game was representative of international rugby then it's obvious why it remains a minority sport. It was POOR viewing. Also, listening to those two morons (commentators) arguing with each other was off-putting. They did nothing to keep me viewing. Just had to put Harry on.
6.20 - ITV1 Harry Hill's TV Burp.
Feel free never to darken the door of rugby or a rugby orientated theread on the goat again....... :PDT_Xtremez_25: :PDT_Xtremez_25:
I Look Like Kevin Costner
25-02-2007, 23:22
WELL DONE THE PADDIES, how pish were england!!!!
Not as bad as Ireland were good. Greasy surface, bucketfull of rain, 3/4 line play with the slickest passing and invention that made the conditions look bone dry. It was a shame the All Blacks weren't playing at Croke Park, a proper voodoo would have been laid to rest, as nobody would have stood up to O'Driscoll's men on Saturday!
Not one for watching rugby (I was swanning round Lincoln in relative peace during the World Cup Final win). Based on the hype from all the rugby types on e-goatI thought I'd give it a go.
Saturday, 24 Feb 2007.
5.30 - BBC1 Ireland vs England.
What a load of rubbish. Is it always as bad as that? I though me telly was bust, with all the stoppages.
If that game was representative of international rugby then it's obvious why it remains a minority sport. It was POOR viewing. Also, listening to those two morons (commentators) arguing with each other was off-putting. They did nothing to keep me viewing. Just had to put Harry on.
6.20 - ITV1 Harry Hill's TV Burp.
Heathen............
Albert Park
26-02-2007, 05:01
Heathen............
I honestly tried to enjoy the game - but it was painful.
Who were the commentators? They were doing my nut in.
Eddie Fookin Butler and Brian Moore. Brian moore speaks sense, Eddie Butler just speaks out of his ar$e. I cannot stand the man. I met him at kingsholm a few years ago, what a thoroughly horrible little man. He should have stuck to being a PE teacher, because he's a sh1te Rugby journo and an even worse commentator.
Albert Park
26-02-2007, 05:14
Eddie Fookin Butler and Brian Moore. Brian moore speaks sense, Eddie Butler just speaks out of his ar$e. I cannot stand the man. I met him at kingsholm a few years ago, what a thoroughly horrible little man. He should have stuck to being a PE teacher, because he's a sh1te Rugby journo and an even worse commentator.
As a non-rugby type the rules (laws) seem a bit complicated. The commentators did nothing to explain to the layman what was happening. They might have held my interest longer if they did explain the play and stoppages etc. It was like a re-run of George and Mildred listening to those two.
Was the game I started to watch typical? Am I to give it a second attempt? If so, when's the next game?
England were pretty poor. England/France will be a good game as will Ireland/France
gemarriott
26-02-2007, 09:16
Eddie Fookin Butler and Brian Moore. Brian moore speaks sense, Eddie Butler just speaks out of his ar$e. I cannot stand the man. I met him at kingsholm a few years ago, what a thoroughly horrible little man. He should have stuck to being a PE teacher, because he's a sh1te Rugby journo and an even worse commentator.
Of course Brian Moore speaks sense, he is a front row god and everyone knows we front row adonis's are all ultra bright, witty, knowledgeable on all things and as tough as old boots. You only hve to look at S2 and read his posts to know that.
sparks will fly
26-02-2007, 10:11
I thought the first 3 tries came from a lack of respect for the Italians. Especially that looping miss-2 pass that was just begging to be intercepted.
Also, if Paterson had taken the kicking opportunities that were presented to him Scotland would have had 15 more points on the board at half-time and Italy would not have been so confident later on. 2 attempts to score tries from penalties I can forgive but it was obvious that the Italian forwards were too powerful, so take the 3 points FFS!
Thats how I lost my voice screaming at Patterson to kick for goal 3 penalties totally wasted. I honestly believe they just panicked at being 3 trys down.
cockneyrock
26-02-2007, 10:33
As a non-rugby type the rules (laws) seem a bit complicated. The commentators did nothing to explain to the layman what was happening. They might have held my interest longer if they did explain the play and stoppages etc. It was like a re-run of George and Mildred listening to those two.
Was the game I started to watch typical? Am I to give it a second attempt? If so, when's the next game?
Don't waste your time mate. You should have switched over to Sky Sports 1 and watch Bradford -v- Wigan in a Super League thriller. Non stop cut and thrust for 80 minutes and not a single penalty kick for points all night.:PDT_Xtremez_14:
True Blue Jack
26-02-2007, 11:06
Don't waste your time mate. You should have switched over to Sky Sports 1 and watch Bradford -v- Wigan in a Super League thriller. Non stop cut and thrust for 80 minutes and not a single penalty kick for points all night.:PDT_Xtremez_14:
Please don't contaminate this thread with your League drivel.::P:
I mean, "I've been tackled 6 times so you can have the ball now". What's that all about? Give me kick and clap any day.:PDT_Xtremez_30:
mightyhunter
26-02-2007, 11:11
Of course Brian Moore speaks sense, he is a front row god and everyone knows we front row adonis's are all ultra bright, witty, knowledgeable on all things and as tough as old boots. You only hve to look at S2 and read his posts to know that.
well said that man (i'm a fully paid-up member of the FRC myself).
except for the first bit. think the man is a bit of a tw@!
anyway, what an embarrassing performance at murrayfield. i hope we don't play that pish again. there is a good possibility that we might get the wooden spoon.
rugby then work
26-02-2007, 11:18
Eddie Fookin Butler and Brian Moore. Brian moore speaks sense, Eddie Butler just speaks out of his ar$e. I cannot stand the man. I met him at kingsholm a few years ago, what a thoroughly horrible little man. He should have stuck to being a PE teacher, because he's a sh1te Rugby journo and an even worse commentator.
Met him when he came up to Saxa Vord to film a Saxa Vord v Lerwick game for the BBC as a fill in before the 1995 Calcutta Cup game. (most northerly RFU affiliated team versus the most northerly SRU affiliated team). The bloke was a complete t*sser, never left the officers mess except for filming and didn't even watch half the game (p1ssed in the bar as it was raining). To top it all all off we lost the only game of my tour up there.
cockneyrock
26-02-2007, 11:36
Please don't contaminate this thread with your League drivel.::P:
I mean, "I've been tackled 6 times so you can have the ball now". What's that all about? Give me kick and clap any day.:PDT_Xtremez_30:
Precisely the point, I always thought rugby should be played with ball in hand, not a game of aerial ping pong between 2 players with 28 spectators standing around in the middle wondering when the ball will eventually go out of play!
True Blue Jack
26-02-2007, 12:11
Precisely the point, I always thought rugby should be played with ball in hand, not a game of aerial ping pong between 2 players with 28 spectators standing around in the middle wondering when the ball will eventually go out of play!
In fairness, the kicking game of the '90s has largely been eradicated, and Union tends to be a much more physical, ball-in-hand game nowadays (not all the time, I grant you). You still get kicks for territory, but that happens in League too.
cockneyrock
26-02-2007, 14:53
In fairness, the kicking game of the '90s has largely been eradicated, and Union tends to be a much more physical, ball-in-hand game nowadays (not all the time, I grant you). You still get kicks for territory, but that happens in League too.
You say that but the first 17 minutes of play were largely taken up with kicks for territory and 3 penalty goals (at this point I turned over because I was board and the Super League was kicking of on Sky Sports).
Look at the match stats (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/6394021.stm):
Match playing time was 90.52 mins
Ball in play for 45 mins total (what were the players doing the rest of the time?)
Total of 8 penalty kicks at goal of which 7 were successful making up 21 of the 56 points scored during the match.
The guy asked for something more interesting to watch as he found the game boring, going on the above, I not suprised and therefore I commend Rugby League to his viewing pleasure.
I Look Like Kevin Costner
26-02-2007, 17:03
You say that but the first 17 minutes of play were largely taken up with kicks for territory and 3 penalty goals (at this point I turned over because I was board and the Super League was kicking of on Sky Sports).
Look at the match stats (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/6394021.stm):
Match playing time was 90.52 mins
Ball in play for 45 mins total (what were the players doing the rest of the time?)
Total of 8 penalty kicks at goal of which 7 were successful making up 21 of the 56 points scored during the match.
The guy asked for something more interesting to watch as he found the game boring, going on the above, I not suprised and therefore I commend Rugby League to his viewing pleasure.
Can you reply with the stat's on the super league game, on the time the ball was actually on the move and "Live"? I would be surprised if it was massively different! I don't mind watching both codes, but prefer Union as pocession is harder to maintain in the 15 man game (as England clearly showed shortcomings on Saturday).
I've played both codes and love watching both. Biggest bugbear though is that Union have learnt huge amounts from league, defence and fitness especially, but league coaches think they've nothing to learn from union. Compared to a union player your average league players ball handling skills are apalling.
cockneyrock
26-02-2007, 17:40
I've played both codes and love watching both. Biggest bugbear though is that Union have learnt huge amounts from league, defence and fitness especially, but league coaches think they've nothing to learn from union. Compared to a union player your average league players ball handling skills are apalling.
Would have to beg to differ there. An awful lot has been written and said about the superior ball handling skills of top flight RL players, particularly when off loading in the tackle. Just look at how commentators waxed lyrical about Farrell and his distribution, accuracy and skills with ball in hand in the first 2 games of the 6 Nations, and this after only a few games of RU after a lifetime of RL.
I would also argue that this is the main reason that the RFU keep slooking to the RFL to find players rather than looking within. A quick fix from the RFL when looking for a new back is becoming a seasonal norm. Get someone in with good ball skills and pace and worry about teaching him the rules of the game slow time.
cockneyrock
26-02-2007, 17:44
Can you reply with the stat's on the super league game, on the time the ball was actually on the move and "Live"? I would be surprised if it was massively different! I don't mind watching both codes, but prefer Union as pocession is harder to maintain in the 15 man game (as England clearly showed shortcomings on Saturday).
Trying to get you an answer, however, getting stats from an "open" source that I don't have to pay for very hard. As an example, I recall a caption flashing up during the Friday Saints -v- Brisbane WOrld Club Challenge that said something like 17 mins of ball in play at about the 22 minute make of the first half. This would equate to the ball being in play for approx 60 minutes over an 80 minute match (or 70 mins over a 90.52 min match).
Having said that, I don;t expect you to take my word for it so I'll continue to try to find a comparible source of stats.
Would have to beg to differ there. An awful lot has been written and said about the superior ball handling skills of top flight RL players, particularly when off loading in the tackle. Just look at how commentators waxed lyrical about Farrell and his distribution, accuracy and skills with ball in hand in the first 2 games of the 6 Nations, and this after only a few games of RU after a lifetime of RL.
I would also argue that this is the main reason that the RFU keep slooking to the RFL to find players rather than looking within. A quick fix from the RFL when looking for a new back is becoming a seasonal norm. Get someone in with good ball skills and pace and worry about teaching him the rules of the game slow time.
Farrell was bought into union by the rfu and saracens mainly for his leadership abilities and ball carrying skills.
The transfer of players between the 2 codes has been going for decades both ways, the only players who have made a success of both codes are people who would be classed as outstanding athletes in any era, i.e Jonathon Davies, Jason Robinson etc. I believe there were a couple of Aussies years ago but not too sure of names, I'd not put Farrell in their league(pun intended) yet. I thought that he was actually found out a bit by the Irish. Don't get me wrong I think he's a good player but just not sure if he's as good as made out to be.
cockneyrock
26-02-2007, 18:09
Farrell was bought into union by the rfu and saracens mainly for his leadership abilities and ball carrying skills.
Kind of contradicts your original statement about lack of handling skills in Rugby League doesn't it?
And I disagree, I don't think he was brought across to RU for his leadership skills. Whilst Farrell might have been an outstanding captain for Great Britain Rugby League, he has a long way to go (probably too far given his age) before he could be concidered to have sufficient understanding of Rugby Union to captain his country. It's a bit different standing out on the wing or at fullback to playing in the centre and making decisions at first or second reciever.
Kind of contradicts your original statement about lack of handling skills in Rugby League doesn't it?
And I disagree, I don't think he was brought across to RU for his leadership skills. Whilst Farrell might have been an outstanding captain for Great Britain Rugby League, he has a long way to go (probably too far given his age) before he could be concidered to have sufficient understanding of Rugby Union to captain his country. It's a bit different standing out on the wing or at fullback to playing in the centre and making decisions at first or second reciever.
Ball handling/ ball carrying, two completely different skill sets, there's even different coaching and training methods for them.
One of Farrells big skills on a pitch is his ability to organise and tell people where to go in a high pressure situation, which is what I meant by his leadership skills. Union has a requirement to have many leaders on the park, more so than league.There's no requirement to be the named Captain to give orders in a given situation in union. Mind you Farrell has always claimed to be a Union fan, even in his League days so he should be ok with the rules.
You've hit the nail on the head about his age though, shame really I'd love to have seen him try Union 4 years or so ago.
cockneyrock
26-02-2007, 21:49
Ball handling/ ball carrying, two completely different skill sets, there's even different coaching and training methods for them.
One of Farrells big skills on a pitch is his ability to organise and tell people where to go in a high pressure situation, which is what I meant by his leadership skills. Union has a requirement to have many leaders on the park, more so than league.There's no requirement to be the named Captain to give orders in a given situation in union. Mind you Farrell has always claimed to be a Union fan, even in his League days so he should be ok with the rules.
You've hit the nail on the head about his age though, shame really I'd love to have seen him try Union 4 years or so ago.
But that would have been a waste of his talent.:PDT_Xtremez_15:
But that would have been a waste of his talent.:PDT_Xtremez_15:
not bitin, not biting, not biting................
rugby then work
27-02-2007, 02:23
Farrell was without a doubt a great exponent of RL, he's unfortunately way short of that mark when it comes to union. His ball carrying ability is without question when he's playing league, when he's playing union he's sadly lacking, he thrives on the rigidity of the league format (ball in hand, go forward until tackled and as long as you don't drop the ball you maintain possession) when it come union and he is more of a decision maker at 1st or second receiver he is finding it hard to anything but distribute (ship) the ball. Don't get me wrong he has a great pass off either hand but as a union 12 he lacks penetration (sits deeper than any other international 12 I know). It's not just at international level either, I watched him play for Saracens against Gloucester and I can honestly say he hardly broke the gain line.
On the other hand I've stood and watched him play for Wigan against Saints at Knowsley Road and he was awesome (even though Saints won) I think he should have done a Cunningham and resisted the temptation to switch codes, his home is league and that's where he belongs.
As for the argument about cross code switches and the RFU looking for a quick fix, wasn't League guilty of that for years. Jason Robinson is the only real success story of league to union exports whereas the list the other way is legion:
Scott Quinell, Scott Gibbs, Jonathon Davies, Martin Offiah, Alan Tait to name a few.
I should also say that I'm a fan of both codes but watch them a separate sports without prejudice to each other.
cockneyrock
27-02-2007, 09:28
As for the argument about cross code switches and the RFU looking for a quick fix, wasn't League guilty of that for years. Jason Robinson is the only real success story of league to union exports whereas the list the other way is legion:
Scott Quinell, Scott Gibbs, Jonathon Davies, Martin Offiah, Alan Tait to name a few.
Can't argue with that. For years, RU players made the switch to RL to earn some real money rather than shuffling around the mirky world of shameterish RU. Now the boot is on the other foot, RL players are switching codes to take a bit of the big fat pie that is RU. Who could blame them wanting to finish their careers off with RU with all the money that is being waved at them (Robinson, Farrell, and all of the above bar Offiah). You have got to look after your financial future when you are a professional sportsman. If you are really lucky, you could get a contract as a pundit like Jonathon Davies and count the money as it roles in while you make a really bad job of commentating on both codes.
I ain't been able to read fully through this thread, just a quickie;
England arn't playing with any of the original line up as from the Last World cup, are they?
Therefore, doubt we'd do that well this time round.
I ain't been able to read fully through this thread, just a quickie;
England arn't playing with any of the original line up as from the Last World cup, are they?
Therefore, doubt we'd do that well this time round.
Unfortunately thier are still a few playing, but its not down to just one area that is causing the problems otherwise it would be simple to sort out.
I ain't been able to read fully through this thread, just a quickie;
England arn't playing with any of the original line up as from the Last World cup, are they?
Therefore, doubt we'd do that well this time round.
I believe this is a rugby thread, woman know your place :PDT_Xtremez_17:
Careful WGAF, Mrs FOMz is a Glawster girl and knows her stuff. A die hard shed head since birth. Members of her family have pulled on the glorious Cherry and White hooped shirt and she's friendly with British Lions from the Glaws stable.
If she reads that, she would hunt you down like a dawg, and kick the sh1t out of you. Big woman my missus!
:PDT_Xtremez_14:
I believe this is a rugby thread, woman know your place :PDT_Xtremez_17:
Beware she's a red head that bites!!!!!
Scaley brat
05-03-2007, 15:38
Can't argue with that. For years, RU players made the switch to RL to earn some real money ...... like Jonathon Davies.
For years that mans name would cause my grandmother to go ape$hit, when he when north, he became "he who shall not be named in this house" on pain of death or at least a serious Paddington hard stare.
I Look Like Kevin Costner
05-03-2007, 15:42
I would like to say a great thank you to all the English clubs who played England players at the weekend and saw them get crocked for the France game (Yes I know a French first choice player broke a leg skiing, but that was self inflicted!). I would be doing my nut if I was Brian Ashton!!:PDT_Xtremez_09:
I would like to say a great thank you to all the English clubs who played England players at the weekend and saw them get crocked for the France game (Yes I know a French first choice player broke a leg skiing, but that was self inflicted!). I would be doing my nut if I was Brian Ashton!!:PDT_Xtremez_09:
Just backs the ongoing argument for a better structure to the season to avoid these situations.
Right, Vickerys out, Wilkinsons out, Farrells out, Catts in, Billy Whizz in, Flood in, White in, Payne in. Catt as captain. Good, bad, indifferent ?
Discussions please.
I Look Like Kevin Costner
06-03-2007, 17:50
Right, Vickerys out, Wilkinsons out, Farrells out, Catts in, Billy Whizz in, Flood in, White in, Payne in. Catt as captain. Good, bad, indifferent ?
Discussions please.
Damm our club / country structure!!
gemarriott
06-03-2007, 17:51
Right, Vickerys out, Wilkinsons out, Farrells out, Catts in, Billy Whizz in, Flood in, White in, Payne in. Catt as captain. Good, bad, indifferent ?
Discussions please.
Ouch on wilko, good that cattys back,don't know about flood, Farrell going was obvious but probably premature, would have preferred Tindall as skipper.
Wait and see is all we can do now.
Right, Vickerys out, Wilkinsons out, Farrells out, Catts in, Billy Whizz in, Flood in, White in, Payne in. Catt as captain. Good, bad, indifferent ?
Discussions please.
France was never going to be an easy game but it just got a lot tougher, I fear for the teams moral if they take another beating. Shame as Ashton looked to be starting to create a team to build for the future and England seemed to be getting some shape.
Ouch on wilko, good that cattys back,don't know about flood, Farrell going was obvious but probably premature, would have preferred Tindall as skipper.
Wait and see is all we can do now.
Farrell's injured- back I believe.
rugby then work
06-03-2007, 18:08
With Flood in at 10 Catt will provide a lot of the direction so makes sense to give him the captaincy, he's been doing the same job for London Irish with an inexperienced fly half on his inside. Robinson back is good news and I think Nick Easter will play well now that he's in his favoured position at 8.
All said, it was going to be a hard enough task to stop the French now they've got a sniff of another grand slam, it's going to take one hell of an effort now.
With Flood in at 10 Catt will provide a lot of the direction so makes sense to give him the captaincy, he's been doing the same job for London Irish with an inexperienced fly half on his inside. Robinson back is good news and I think Nick Easter will play well now that he's in his favoured position at 8.
All said, it was going to be a hard enough task to stop the French now they've got a sniff of another grand slam, it's going to take one hell of an effort now.
Got to agree with you there mate, can't see England winning this weekend, damage limitation now I'm afraid.
I've said it before but I wonder if Catt has been bought back into the fold to pave his way into the coaching setup. Ashton has always been a big Catt fan and has said that he understands English rugby better than anyone, makes me wonder if he'll retire from playing rugby and go straight into the England set up. Could do a lot worse.
irishlogster
06-03-2007, 23:27
cum on Ireland.....
Whilst I am almost certain that England will loose this weekend I feel concerned for the New young players in the squad, (it reminds me a little of the Tour of Hell a few years ago) it could be character building for some of them but the press will murder anyone who underperforms which is not good. It also show that we do not have much depth in most positions which seems to be getting worse.
Jim_P_Pulfrew
07-03-2007, 13:41
It is hideous that our best players are made to play for their clubs in the only rest period during the six nations. I am a regular at the Madejski and have always enjoyed immenseley when one of the Samoan lads puts a big hit on an opposition fly half. But when last week, Wilkinson was on the receiving end of one such huge hit, the collective gasp from the crowd was very loud indeed. It was a fair tackle and Tagicakibau actually checked to see if Wilko was ok before playing on, but every Englishman in the crowd had the same thought: Why on earth was our flyhalf and dare say talisman being played within the international period. Criminal, and shame on the RFU.
I am glad Catt is back but would like to offer an alternative opinion to the 'straight into the England coach' set up. At the moment Catt is being coached and mentored by one Brian Smith. A man who has performed miracles at LI. Smith, has had considerable success as a player and coach in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres. He has also got experience at national level; sure you could argue coaching and managing the Aussie sevens isn't really top flight but its close enough for government work.
Mike Catt is no fool, and I am sure he is well aware that coaching experience gained at a forward thinking club under the guidance of a man who has possibly the broadest depth of experience of any coach in the world today, is going to be far more beneficial in the long term, than going early, to a set up which is being comprehensively undermined by the RFU's thirst for revenue, and one Mr Rob Andrew.
I am well aware that Catt is an Ashton/Bath favourite but let us not forget that Brian Smith is also ex-Bath and arguably their most successful coach in recent years. So it would appear that all the boxes are ticked for him stayig at LI and progressing up the coaching ladder there. To the long term benefit of the national game IMHO.
Finally. As a purely partisan viewer, and given he completely eclipsed both Wilkinson and Flood on Saturday, I would have gone for Shane Geraghty at ten, but earnestly hope he will get off the bench with sufficient time available to show that he is the true understudy to Wilko!
I see Sebastien Chabal has been called back in to the french team ! He is going to cause a whole world of pain for Mr Ellis....
I see Sebastien Chabal has been called back in to the french team ! He is going to cause a whole world of pain for Mr Ellis....
That may be so but theres the small matter of a Mr Betson to worry about first. I recall him giving Wilko a nightmare some years ago and he was vastly more experianced than young Flood. How many fly half can you have on a subs bench!!!!
That may be so but theres the small matter of a Mr Betson to worry about first. I recall him giving Wilko a nightmare some years ago and he was vastly more experianced than young Flood. How many fly half can you have on a subs bench!!!!
Wouldn't worry too much about Betsen he's more of a talisman these days, nowhere near the player he was 2 seasons ago, refs tend to keep a bit more of an eye on Betsen these days as well. As sospan says Chabal is the one to watch, mans a fookin animal.
Betson didn't really bring much to their last game. He has slimmed down a little and seems to have lost the edge, he was the smallest forward on the pitch in the France Wales match.
I Look Like Kevin Costner
07-03-2007, 14:28
Wouldn't worry too much about Betsen he's more of a talisman these days, nowhere near the player he was 2 seasons ago, refs tend to keep a bit more of an eye on Betsen these days as well. As sospan says Chabal is the one to watch, mans a fookin animal.
You're not wrong there mate, he is the missing link! I just hope we don't get another 20 - 30 point thumping again!
Whilst Betson may not be the player he once was, with the lack of ability in our forwards to secure good quick ball for the backs, ( a big problem in recent seasons) even Mr Betson in his current state must be setting his sights. Whilst his size might be problem for him against the English forwards in a head to head contest, but then again didnt they say that about Niel Back and he didnt do to bad.
Homer's Right Hand Man
10-03-2007, 17:25
It was a tough game today but well done to the Irish for the Triple Crown. Wales up against it at the moment, 13 - 7 to the Italians. What odds on them winning 2 games in a Six nations Championship?
It'll be close, but I think the Welsh will have the edge. Italy aren't the whipping boys they once were, They may well lose games, but they're fronting up and not making it easy.
Homer's Right Hand Man
10-03-2007, 18:12
It was a tough game today but well done to the Irish for the Triple Crown. Wales up against it at the moment, 13 - 7 to the Italians. What odds on them winning 2 games in a Six nations Championship?
Looks like I've jinxed the Italians!!!
:PDT_Xtremez_06:
Well, someone has got to be able to give the welsh some hope!! :PDT_Xtremez_28:
rugby then work
10-03-2007, 18:17
looks like the referee just beat wales with his sneaky "yes there's time for the lineout" then blowing the whistle for time.
SirSaltyHelmet
10-03-2007, 18:18
Awful ending....
I Look Like Kevin Costner
10-03-2007, 18:18
looks like the referee just beat wales with his sneaky "yes there's time for the lineout" then blowing the whistle fo time.
Said "10 seconds left!". White gives Wales or Scotland the wooden spoon, Crack on!
mightyhunter
10-03-2007, 18:19
looks like the referee just beat wales with his sneaky "yes there's time for the lineout" then blowing the whistle fo time.have to agree with you but think hook should've gone for the three points.
Tashy_Man
10-03-2007, 18:19
Fcuking english ref...what a fcuking disgrace......typical english tw@t !!!
It was a good game apart from the ref......Italian number 7 should not have been on the field to score that last try and then to blow the whistle asfter telling the lads they had time is a fcuking travesty.....
Crack on w@nker......:PDT_Xtremez_09:
A tap penalty would have been the answer, keep the ball in hand and pound the line !
I Look Like Kevin Costner
10-03-2007, 18:21
Fcuking english ref...what a fcuking disgrace......typical english tw@t !!!
It was a good game apart from the ref......Italian number 7 should not have been on the field to score that last try and then to blow the whistle asfter telling the lads they had time is a fcuking travesty.....
Crack on w@nker......:PDT_Xtremez_09:
You cannot blame the ref for missing that punch, but the Citing committee won't! Ref was better that some that have been refereeing this championship!
I Look Like Kevin Costner
10-03-2007, 18:24
Fcuking english ref...what a fcuking disgrace......typical english tw@t !!!
It was a good game apart from the ref......Italian number 7 should not have been on the field to score that last try and then to blow the whistle asfter telling the lads they had time is a fcuking travesty.....
Crack on w@nker......:PDT_Xtremez_09:
Try and get your own back next week! (I'm not sure England will even beat Wales at the moment!)
rugby then work
10-03-2007, 18:26
Agreed Sospan, tap and go was the way forward. Hook asked how long left and was told 10 seconds, the ref didn't actually say they had time to play the lineout, once the ball is in touch the ref then makes the decision on time left and he obviously decided it was all over. Saying that I think he should have said (as most ref's do) that next time the balls out thats it.
Fcuking english ref...what a fcuking disgrace......typical english tw@t !!!
It was a good game apart from the ref......Italian number 7 should not have been on the field to score that last try and then to blow the whistle asfter telling the lads they had time is a fcuking travesty.....
Crack on w@nker......:PDT_Xtremez_09:
I think you'll find that Chris White is probably one of the best respected ref's you'll ever come across. No one is 100% perfect TM, they can only try (pun intended). He's also an incredibly nice bloke ( I know, cos I was chatting with him at a wedding reception for an ex Glawster player in Cheltenham last year)
SirSaltyHelmet
10-03-2007, 18:33
I agree with RTW, the ref should have said it was intention to blow the whistle when the ball went out
Hard lesson
I just watched the ending again, and the bare bones of it are:- James Hook kicked the ball out at 80:01, regardless of what the ref said At 80:01 if the ball goes dead the game is over. His conversation with hook was very misleading, sadly thats that, its done now.
:PDT_Xtremez_09:
Scaley brat
10-03-2007, 22:05
B@stard robbed us. That eytie scrum half stamped on a lads ankle in front of him and he got away with it. I was disgusted.
I've just been looking at the England team for today - utter sh1te. Whats wrong with the management? I hope we get a right royal stuffing today. It seems that their current policy of 'shove so and so in on a big game and see how he fares' if he's not so good, dropped and into the wilderness. There are so many good players out there NOT being selected due to the 'old war horses' being picked - no names Martin Corry etc etc.
Vive la France, vive les blues today I think. Maybe after that they may wake up and smell the coffee
England V France just about to start, something tells me this new look England team are going to pull something out of the hat and spoil the grandslam.
rugby then work
11-03-2007, 17:04
Just listened to the ref's mic from yesterdays Italy v Wales game on the BBC and he clearly stated tat there was time for the line out if Wales kicked straight away (which they did). The TMO then called time and Chris white blew up, what a load of b0llocks, the referee is the sole judge of time, it's his call and he'd said there was time for the lineout. Sticks in my thoat a bit but have to admit Wales were robbed.:PDT_Xtremez_09:
It was only the Wales match, nothing of any great importance! :PDT_Xtremez_14:
The important match was played today at 1pm!!
Remarkable result. Congratulations to England!
Random quote from the crowd, "Swing low, sweet chariot etc..."
rugby then work
11-03-2007, 17:52
Well done to Englands back row, they won ball on the ground and starved the french of possession. Made the french look very average.
I Look Like Kevin Costner
11-03-2007, 19:23
I've just been looking at the England team for today - utter sh1te. Whats wrong with the management? I hope we get a right royal stuffing today. It seems that their current policy of 'shove so and so in on a big game and see how he fares' if he's not so good, dropped and into the wilderness. There are so many good players out there NOT being selected due to the 'old war horses' being picked - no names Martin Corry etc etc.
Vive la France, vive les blues today I think. Maybe after that they may wake up and smell the coffee
The old war horses did more that OK (although first half was dodgy!) France were rubbish in the second half for the same reason England were rubbish in the Ireland game as their forwards never got the ball. Purely due to how well the scratch forward setup played. If they perform as well in Cardiff, Wales will have their "white"wash (bad pun:PDT_Xtremez_31: .) Backs play improved in the second half, Wilko would be fortunate to be picked after Floods and Geraghty's preformance.
On the whole, Catt's inclusion vindicated Ashtons selection.
Best picture from the weekend!
1366
Ireland - Its back in your hands now, 5 points more that France's gap in the last game. (No way England are going to score the required amount)
Homer's Right Hand Man
11-03-2007, 20:13
I see the French were living up to their stereotype today.
http://www.e-goat.co.uk/photoplog/file.php?n=57&w=o
Should be an interesting final weekend, all to play for, for all the teams.
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Liney Hasbeen
11-03-2007, 21:50
I've just been looking at the England team for today - utter sh1te. Whats wrong with the management? I hope we get a right royal stuffing today. It seems that their current policy of 'shove so and so in on a big game and see how he fares' if he's not so good, dropped and into the wilderness. There are so many good players out there NOT being selected due to the 'old war horses' being picked - no names Martin Corry etc etc.
Vive la France, vive les blues today I think. Maybe after that they may wake up and smell the coffee
Yum Yum ......... Words are such a lovely food group !!!!!!!!!!!
Take your pick of THREE no 10's all equally good at the job, Forwards were outstanding and the effort to play open running rugby gets my vote every week ........
As for jonathon 'Kn*bhead' Davies' comment after the game that we won't put 40+ points past Wales ............ well !!!!!!!!! Yum Yum
I Look Like Kevin Costner
11-03-2007, 21:56
As for jonathon 'Kn*bhead' Davies' comment after the game that we won't put 40+ points past Wales ............ well !!!!!!!!! Yum Yum
Unfortunatly he is right and the others will get an increase to the difference they already hold! What I would give for Scotland and Italy to play out of their skins and get draws!:PDT_Xtremez_31:
MAINJAFAD
11-03-2007, 23:01
Yum Yum ......... Words are such a lovely food group !!!!!!!!!!!
Take your pick of THREE no 10's all equally good at the job, Forwards were outstanding and the effort to play open running rugby gets my vote every week ........
As for jonathon 'Kn*bhead' Davies' comment after the game that we won't put 40+ points past Wales ............ well !!!!!!!!! Yum Yum
63-27 I think is the biggest England win against the Welsh in the 5 Nations as it was back in 98 (36 points) and that game was not played in Cardiff.
mightyhunter
11-03-2007, 23:28
good game (and that's coming from a scot!) but the french weren't that great. good to see that england didn't swap their front row. think perry freshwater is the find of the championship.
gemarriott
11-03-2007, 23:40
You gotta laugh aint you. England beat the Frogs and the Welsh kicked into touch by kicking for touch,
All hail the whistle blower and his earpiece:PDT_Xtremez_31: :PDT_Xtremez_31: :PDT_Xtremez_31:
Jim_P_Pulfrew
11-03-2007, 23:44
At the risk of re-igniting an argument, but would the backs have been as dynamic today with Farrell stood at 12?
Anybody who has sat in the Madejski through the season as I have, will be feeling the same pride at the performance of "The 35 year old band aid centre, who lacks pace". Granted he had a poor start, but 99% of that was the emotion of being recalled and at captain, in what was arguably the toughest game of the tournament.
France were effectively shut out today as much by the coaching skill and vision for how he wants the game played of Brian Ashton, as much as the feats of the players.
There will be worried men sat in not only the Farrell, but dare I say it, the Wilkinson houses tonight.
Make no mistake though, this is just a very promising start to a long fight back which I still fear will be only be complete after the World Cup. I can though, hope and pray I am wrong.
Tashy_Man
17-03-2007, 16:42
I think you'll find that Chris White is probably one of the best respected ref's you'll ever come across.
That may well be but he could still learn a thing or two by watching the ref (Kaplan) in the Italy v Ireland match.....at least he had the balls to play extra time even when you could hear the TMO saying it was time.......
Crack on...........:PDT_Xtremez_09:
Good thing to see he is on the line of the game today...to see how it should be done !!!
Tashy_Man
17-03-2007, 20:26
Way to go Wales !!!!! Cracking result........ENGLAND LOSING...how good does that sound LOSERS....CRACK ON
Great last day in the championship ! 3 good matches and a fair result in the end, France deserved the 6 nations even with a slip up HQ. Oh and many thanks to the jocks for stealing the wooden spoon from our grasps ::P:
I Look Like Kevin Costner
17-03-2007, 20:38
Way to go Wales !!!!! Cracking result........ENGLAND LOSING...how good does that sound LOSERS....CRACK ON
Wasn't unexpected. England were sh*te. The biggest Welsh win against them in 19 years? I hope Corry doesn't wear the England shirt ever again as really he does nothing. Alain Roland was c**p as well.
Sorry Ireland, but you blew it! France had to score 31 points and you had the opportunity to kick the ball out to end the game. They scored 26.:PDT_Xtremez_31:
rugby then work
17-03-2007, 21:03
That may well be but he could still learn a thing or two by watching the ref (Kaplan) in the Italy v Ireland match.....at least he had the balls to play extra time even when you could hear the TMO saying it was time.......
Crack on...........:PDT_Xtremez_09:
Good thing to see he is on the line of the game today...to see how it should be done !!!
As i've already sa